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1502:=Bolivia’s coup|MORALES HAD KEPT THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER. Evo Morales, Bolivia’s first indigenous president, has been forced from office, despite winning praise both from progressives and international financial institutions like the IMF. Why did it happen and how did it all unravel so fast?|THERE’s been a coup in Bolivia. There’s no other word for it. The president was ‘invited’ to step down by his military chief of staff. Police fired live rounds at demonstrators. Some former political leaders were arrested, others were forced into hiding. Media outlets were closed and journalists imprisoned for ‘sedition’. Parliamentarians were prevented from entering the national assembly. A senator declared herself president, and was caught on camera smiling as a soldier helped her put on the sash of office. Generals posed for the camera, too, eyes hidden behind dark glasses. 1716:=MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION on Bolivia and the arrest of former President Jeanine Añez and other officials with request for inclusion in the agenda for a debate on cases of breaches of human rights, democracy and the rule of law pursuant to Rule 144 of the Rules of Procedure|whereas after the elections of 20th of October 2019, Bolivia experimented a violent coup, which saw manysupporters of President Evo Morales, indigenous population and human rights defenders violently killed by the military and members of Morales' Movement for Socialism (MAS) party persecuted by the right-wing oppositionincluding by acts of violence such as beatings and harassment, with high-profile politicians’ homes being torched.| 1093:), as it continues to be updated thru 2023. Second, your characterization of the CDP dataset is disingenuous -- their references in the sourcebook always include at least one primary source, and for Ukraine they include three (WSJ, Telegraph, and CSM). A reference to WP and a previous dataset serves as a source aggregator, as you should expect it does with every such reference. We reviewed coup datasets extensively last year -- both are respected in their field, and are about the bounds of exclusivity and inclusivity for datasets aggregating post-WW2 coups. 1399:
the new president didn't have all the requirements indicated in the Bolivian constitution, the legal president was forced to resign and flee to save his life, a plot to accuse falsely to have made fraud was done with the help of OAS, the US and the European Union, the massacres of Senkata and Sacaba to threat and calm people, the supress of freedom of speech, the closure of different media news and even the killing of Argentinean journalists and union leaders, etc.
1419:: On November Jeanine Añez, a senator without the lawful requirements (according to Bolivian law) to be president assumed the presidency, impulsed by the organization CONADE, when the legal government of Evo Morales was overthrown and he (and other senators were threatened and resigned) was forced to resign after allegations of fraud that the OAS supported in their inform which was later rejected for independent studies for presenting no real proof of fraud. 1339:: On November Jeanine Añez, a senator without the lawful requirements (according to Bolivian law) to be president assumed the presidency, impulsed by the organization CONADE, when the legal government of Evo Morales was overthrown and he (and other senators were threatened and resigned) was forced to resign after allegations of fraud that the OAS supported in their inform which was later rejected for independent studies for presenting no real proof of fraud. 762: 243: 222: 727: 253: 453: 432: 612: 191: 348: 327: 684: 673: 662: 651: 358: 552: 525: 1753:|Whereas, in late 2019, a military coup was staged against the elected Government of Bolivia following unfounded claims of electoral fraud made by an OAS Electoral Observation Mission, while the subsequent coup government received support from the Trump administration and OAS Secretary General Luis Almagro|: sources |date=Jun. 2023}} 640: 1668:=How the OAS, and the media’s lack of scrutiny, caused a violent coup in Bolivia| In a world of post truth politics, a false media narrative based on the OAS’s flawed statistics was instrumental in overthrowing a democratically elected government. Now Bolivia faces the consequences|: sources |date=25 November 2019}} 1398:
Besides you didn't say what is the reason for not considering it a "coup" because there were many facts that indicate it was a coup: the commander of army forces invited the president to resign, army forces were used to shut up people and kill, the new president wasn't elected in general elections,
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That said, please actually explain how academic sources are not RS for the article in its current state, because that just seems totally bizarre. We've noted in this article that the definition of 'coup' is not fixed. These are widely-cited academic datasets that set particular definitions for 'coup'
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The mainstream media has carefully avoided the term ‘coup’ in describing the overthrow of President Evo Morales. The first female dictator in South America’s history, Jeanine Áñez, downplayed concerns: ‘A coup d’état is when there are soldiers in the street,’ she said in an interview on 12 November,
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The mainstream media has carefully avoided the term ‘coup’ in describing the overthrow of President Evo Morales. The first female dictator in South America’s history, Jeanine Áñez, downplayed concerns: ‘A coup d’état is when there are soldiers in the street,’ she said in an interview on 12 November,
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An irregular regime change driven by widespread popular dissatisfaction expressed through large-scale civil unrest. An event falls into this category if a large-scale popular rebellion overthrows existing leader, forces their resignations, or elites use irregular means to force leadership changes in
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I am Bolivian lawyer and Iwant to add this. I see no reasons for not including the Bolivia coup and in the talk page, which is this, you don't even mention Bolivia. I can say it was a coup, not a riot because the president Evo was overthrown and he had to flee and after that Añez was possessed
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we would need more robust sources than mentions in datasets to include it here....the cline codebook uses wide definition of 'coup', which makes sense given the kinda stuff this dataset is intend to be used for (i suspect the same goes for P&T) but typically the def they use for popular revolt
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THERE’s been a coup in Bolivia. There’s no other word for it. The president was ‘invited’ to step down by his military chief of staff. Police fired live rounds at demonstrators. Some former political leaders were arrested, others were forced into hiding. Media outlets were closed and journalists
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whereas Nov. 12 2019 a military coup forced Evo Morales to exile himself in Mexico; whereas on the same day Jeanine Áñez, a senator from a minority extrem-right party, auto-proclaimed herself President (with no constitutional right to so) of Bolivia with the support of the military and without
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imprisoned for ‘sedition’. Parliamentarians were prevented from entering the national assembly. A senator declared herself president, and was caught on camera smiling as a soldier helped her put on the sash of office. Generals posed for the camera, too, eyes hidden behind dark glasses.
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scholars of political violence list it as a coup. If you look at the citations of Jan 6 in this article, none are from coup scholars. That's why nobody last year could agree to making this article into a list based on criteria from scholars of political violence.
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Is there an explanation in the linked article why it is not seen as a coup, even though it is seen as one by some politicians and journalists? I found no explanation in this list, nor in the linked article. The latter is pretty large, possibly I missed it!
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So I want to include this coup, now tell me what do you need to do this or tell why was it rejected. Knowledge (XXG) can't re write the history, doing these things of trying to bend the history you are just lacking credibility, just that.
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Please review my previous comments, then look at P&T. I have addressed this. If you are interested in this topic, we went over this quite exhaustively and exhaustingly in discussions last year, which are linked in the section above.
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This has been bugging me for weeks and honestly I thought someone would change it but it still says May 6th I have looked through all the Sources and none of them state that it had taken place on May 6th in fact this source:
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This has to be the first time in history that someone is accused of attempting to overthrow a government while being quoted as stating "we are the party of law and order" and publicly demanding his followers to go home.
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First note that I never said any text should be added or that language should be changed. All I said was that X is in Y and Z datasets. I'm not keen on adding content -- the article needs a complete rewrite per the
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ignoring the fact that the day before she had asked the army to join the police in ‘restoring order’ in La Paz . Soldiers were patrolling the capital’s streets as she was speaking|: sources |date=December 2019} }
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You did check the datasets I linked, right? Look for Ukraine, 2014 (the only one listed on either dataset). Everything refers to those. If my abbreviations or something else are confusing let me know.
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ignoring the fact that the day before she had asked the army to join the police in ‘restoring order’ in La Paz . Soldiers were patrolling the capital’s streets as she was speaking.
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There's no doubt you can find sources that list it as a coup - but that's never been the issue. The point is that its status as a coup is disputed. See the parent article. —
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without following the requirements established in our law which of to be the senator of one of the more important parties in Bolivia, which wasn't the case of Añez.
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Maybe Knowledge (XXG) is not free to be impartial, then the case is lost and people should write and expose and investigate why wikipedia denies historical facts.
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The coup included the massacres of Senkata and Sacaba. The fraud allegations were completely rejected when Arce (of the same party of Morales) won the last election.
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The coup included the massacres of Senkata and Sacaba. The fraud allegations were completely rejected when Arce (of the same party of Morales) won the last election.
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and make classifications according to primary sources. Are you seriously saying they are not RS when this article does not fix its own definition for a 'coup'?
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order to conciliate the populace. It is not a popular revolt if elites overthrow incumbents they consider “soft” on dissent in order to facilitate a crackdown.
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I think this should count as a coup d'etat, specifically a failed barracks coup, given that I have read most sources listed in the other Wiki on the subject (
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The Bolivian coup of 2019 is not listed and there is a warning about it to see the talk page which is this but you don't mention Bolivia at all
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that was provided specifically states that it was announced in a June 5th statement. I ask someone please change this and thank you.
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/democraciaabierta/how-the-oas-and-the-medias-lack-of-scrutiny-caused-a-violent-coup-in-bolivia/
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International politicians, scholars and journalists were divided between describing the event as a coup or popular uprising.
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It's not our call -- scholars of political violence list it as a coup. But it doesn't say that Trump was in on it.
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https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/03/06/wapo-prints-study-found-paper-backed-undemocratic-bolivia-coup/%7Ctitle
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called a 'failed coup' in the beginning of the article. Open for discussion, would like to talk about this. -shadowm
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This is what I want to add, so tell me if that would be accepted if i present the bibliography of serious links.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/18/silence-us-backed-coup-evo-morales-bolivia-american-states
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Given how disputed its status as a coup is, I think consensus would need to be achieved first for inclusion. —
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Your first link titled 'Global Instances of Coups from 1950 to 2010: A New Dataset." It does not include 2014.
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If you found no explanation in the linked article then either failed to read it, or failed to understand it.
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https://www.clacso.org/en/la-union-europea-y-su-actuacion-en-el-golpe-de-estado-de-bolivia-en-2019/%7Ctitle
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https://eurasianet.org/kyrgyzstan-security-services-arrest-alleged-coup-plotters-from-obscure-party
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https://coha.org/bolivias-struggle-to-restore-democracy-after-oas-instigated-coup/%7Ctitle
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Also, I've just noticed you're engaging in block evasion; striking the above comment. —
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https://prospect.org/world/2023-04-05-lawmakers-investigation-oas-boss-almagro/%7Ctitle
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I beg of someone to change the Kyrgyzstan May 6th 2023 Coup Attempt to June 5th 2023.
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I was attempting to self-educate me on the 2014 events but found no entry in here.
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So I included this with a summary at the beginning and references at the end....
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Considering your answer. I included more references that indicate it was a coup.
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From the article you linked (which, it is worth pointing out, actually is named
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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/B-9-2021-0245_EN.html%7Ctitle
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This is what i added and all the references that indicated it was a coup...
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Cline calls what happened in Ukraine a 'Popular Revolt' not a type of coup—
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/943/text
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https://nacla.org/review-coup-story-violence-and-resistance-bolivia
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How? To support what text? What are you trying to argue here?
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If no changes are proposed then there is no need to discuss.
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Military science, technology, and theory task force articles
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Your second link refers Knowledge (XXG) and the first link.
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constitutionally required quorum;|: sources |date=27.4.2021
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If none of us are keen on adding it let's leave it at that—
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First, please actually click on the P&T updated file ("
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