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measure more widely used in the industry to measure true size. This is the reason why I drew up the table with a column each for total and proportionate subscribers. In fact, the entire table's entries needs to be verified to find out if the figure is for total subscribers or proportionate ones. What do the rest of you think? --
964:"Singapore Telecommunications Limited (SGX: T48, ASX: SGT), commonly abbreviated as SingTel, is a telecommunications company, with a combined mobile subscriber base of 249.4 million customers from its own operations and regional associates at the end of March 2009" and yet is astoundingly absent from this list.
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I was also finding it very difficult in getting the proportionate subscribers. I believe the strategy followed by most of the telcos is that the total subscribers of a majority ownership is taken as their own. For eg: Vodafone's total subscribers from their site includes numbers from
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Yup i agree that this should be the method - but for telenor and telesonara and some of the others - it seems like the number of minority owned customers were included wholesale into the number of proportionate customers. And so telenor's and telesonara's rankings should be far below their current
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Under the list of
Netherlands-based networks, LowCall is mentioned as a network owned by Telfort, but actually it is not. LowCall is owned by debitel, and is using the Telfort GSM network. Maybe someone can take a look at this? Also both LowCall and Simyo aren't physical networks, but are virtual
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I have a problem editing the article for the telcos do not provide separate data for "total" and "proportional" subscribers. For example, China Mobile only states that it has 667 million subscribers, but it does not state if their subscribers in Hong Kong and
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This is clearly meaningless, and makes comparison with other companies in the list where the 'Total number' refers to something very much more meaningful impossible. 'Total subscribers' should be defined both clearly and precisely, and not so widely as to be completely meaningless. The present
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Ukraine and MTS Ukraine is the same operator (MTS Ukraine was rebranded to Vodafone in 2015). Here it is listed twice: for Vodafone and for MTS. In operator's annual reports MTS includes 20.9 mln Ukrainian customers, but Vodafone does not list Ukraine as opration
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I have an issue for NTT Docomo, too. It is estimated that they have "60 million subscribers" in Japan, but if we'll include their stake in PLDT and Tata Docomo, the numbers would sure to inflate, placing them somewhere in the Top 30.
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Right now, when this article refers to the United States of America, sometimes "USA" is used, and other times "United States" is used. I propose that these be standardized for easy searching across the entire article.
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China Mobile is first on the list, however if you press 'show' in the main market column for Vodafone (2nd) China mobile is there too. Does this mean that Vodafone has a minority stake in China mobile or vice versa?
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