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You're gonna stop bossing us around. The reason why we havent been able to add schools and complete this list is because we have a disagreement over other things and since you have a habit of reverting changes, it doesnt make sense to keep doing everything again. Once we have an agreement, we'll get
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Unlike the West, it is not a case of tens, or even hundreds of schools, but tens of thousands. And your list does not even have an iota of useful information about schools in general. In Mumbai, I can bet you there are over 500 municipal schools, and you never mentioned a single one, why. So what is
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So if anyone is looking for articles to create, there are some ideas. On the other hand, I looked at every article on the list while checking the links. Most of the articles are in very poor condition and some even consist of only a single sentence with no reference, so are quite possibly eligible
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What youre misunderstanding is that im just
Listing them and not creating articles for them. And I repeat, there are articles specifically written about Primary Schools in other countries, all I am doing is adding a section in the current page. This is really petty to be debated upon for so long.
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Hey, i'm not against you here, so help me reach a mutual decision here. Look at the new table content now. Would help if you come up with suggestions to a problem i am trying to address rather than negating what I am saying. And probably I wasnt clear enough when i said it, the first column will
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Sitush, Theres no softer way to say this, but please stop treating every article like your
Dictatorial regime. Anonymousbananas has been nothing but patient and constructively working towards a solution while you have been simply saying No. if you have an issue with something, you are more than
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to it. Also since you are having trouble grasping it, let me spell it out for you, majority of the government schools ARE Primary
Schools ( Which is what I have been harping about, hence the importance of being a local). Plus who said that the list is complete?
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pinging me. It isn't necessary and it doesn't always work. Add this page to your watchlist instead. I didn't say that we could have the location column (see my comment to your earlier message in a different thread above). What I said was we are showing it
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I have given you a reason for no primary schools (unless they are notable in their own right, in which case they need an article). I've already explained why it doesn't matter if other articles are wrong. For the remainder, please consider
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But Sitush to be fair, you gotta admit man, you reverted the sectioning at the outset simply by looking at the word "Primary School" There will be a list for sure, we can talk about notability of the individual entries. Fair enough ?
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Sitush, this would have been easier to resolve if instead of saying NO everytime, you could come up with a solution. Seriously man, people dont appreciate that. We're all working towards a common goal here....
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lets summarize. We've agreed on everything but the primary schools. Well make a section and include only the notable ones. how about that ? However that would require Sitush to bear with us for a while.
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The following items have been removed because they were either a redlink, a bluelink which redirected back to this list, or a bluelink for an article about a school with the same name but not in Mumbai.
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