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Nonsense. Counter-example given in this section is correct, but the conclusions are not. My point is that V must have global minima in origin. Functions of type W = V + const will also prove stability and they are also sometimes called 'Lyapunov functions'. It is vital to give either some references
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Hi, in the definition don't we need to mention the system dynamics being considered are ordinary differential equations of the form xdot=f(x) (i.e. not time varying or other dynamics), and that they must be "well behaved" (e.g. f satisfies a Lipschitz condition within a ball of radius epsilon of the
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The introduction talks about this but there is no description, illustration or reference in the further part of the article. As far as I know there is no such thing: the 3 body problem occurs in a conservative system whereas systems showing Lyapunov stability are non-conservative systems. I deleted
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It's commonly sub-chapter in the Lyapunov stability section of control textbooks like Slotine's. I rephrased a bit to make the connection more readily obvious to Lyapunov stability and explicitly cite Slotine who's example was already in the section. Given its probably too small to be its own page,
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As you can see (gotta find the reference to put it in the article too) in LaSalle's book on Stability, if you do make a change of variables based on a "translation by y(t)", then y(t) is the origin and a equilibrium point for the new system, and the definition just given in the article is applied.
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I did not write the page but know there have been attempts to apply it to forced systems. For example, I.G. Malkin in his book 'Stability of Motion' (Russian but it has been translated to English) proves that a asymptotically stable system remains stable under disturbances which are bounded if the
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Point 1 of the definition sort of contradicts the lede, which discusses that this applies for a SMALL epsilon , rather than for ANY epsilon. This becomes a problem in the case of a Lyapunov Orbit which is a special example of a Lissajous Orbit. Using these terms, both have well defined and well
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The concept of Lyapunov Stability is, actually, original from the study of trajectories from ODEs. Then, you should define when a solution of a ODE is Lyapunov Stable. It's a rather similar definition to the one on the page, but since the solution need not to be a equilibrium point anymore, you
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the section but was promptly reverted without explanation or reference to literature which seems to me rather impolite and against Knowledge policy. The heading to this page says 'Encycopedic content must be verifiable through citations to reliable sources' Is it possible to insist on this?
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Although we do not need to specify the kind of system for the definitions, it's very important to realize that a great part of classic results and theorems applies only to unforced systems (actually, I'd use "conservative" systems, since that's the context I do work with them everyday...)
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In the simplest case the origin is much rather 'in' equilibrium, and/or 'is' an equilibrium point. Also, in the simplest case, this is where the first derivative of position i.e. velocity is equal to 0. So, simply put, it is not moving in time and that is all that we mean here
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Sorry, your edit looked like vandalism since you left your signature in place of a paragraph. I am not an expert on this so I can't comment on the content. Feel free to search for a reference or delete the unreferenced paragraph again (without signatures!). Thank you
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I never heard the term 'iterated' to refer to 'discrete-time' or just 'discrete' dynamics in the control literature. Though correct, I would suggest that anyone having a sounder background than me should consider replacing 'iterated' with 'discrete-time'. --
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I agree. To use a Lyapunov function itself to prove asymptotic stability (without resorting to the invariance principle or Barbalat's Lemma), you have to choose a different function. I suggest changing the section to use a simpler first order system.
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First, I've already altered the definition here (I didn't have a login at that time, sorry... when I find out how, I promise to put my IP here), and basically that's the one present now, when it comes to &epsillon; and δ.
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Exponential stability doesn't require asymptotic stability. If the equilibrium is exponentially stable it is also stable (we can put δ=ε/α) and obviously the solutions from the δ-neighbourhood converge to it.
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It's true that the closed-loop system is unforced mathematically, but from the perspective of the original system, we have a system that was stabilized using the control force.
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But the article is, actually, wrong in the following sense: we're dealing with Lyapunov Stability of Equilibrium Points. There's no need to specify if the system is unforced.
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has an attractive equilibrium at (x,y)=(1,0) which is not Lyapunov stable. I think this case is impossible for hyperbolic equilibria, but I'm not sure. --
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Asymptotic stability implies Lyapunov stability only since it is explicitly included in the definition. E.g. the system given in polar coordinates as
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It is redundant to define asymptotic stability as being Lyapunov stable, since it can be shown that asymptotic stability implies Lyapunov stability.
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In the Van der Pol oscillator example, we clearly have the origin as an equilibrium point to the system. The problem stems from the "claim" that
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I can't find it here, nor in the dynamic system page. I'm assuming it's just another name for fixpoint, but some definition would be handy.
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should compare the norm of the difference between y(t) (the solution you're studing) and x(t) as in the article.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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https://web.archive.org/web/20071018132250/http://mne.ksu.edu:80/research/laboratories/non-linear-controls-lab
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Well, sorry for anything! This is my first writing here... so I'll try to learn it better how to contribute!
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I'm not in the mood to put it all correctly right now, but I'd like at least to comment some details.
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Shouldn't the first mention of Aleksandr Lyapunov link to the wikipedia page about him? Like this:
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The course notes I have on this subject (not publicly accessible) state that, given equilibrium
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is unstable when f(t) = 0, but stable when f(t) = -5*x. The closed-loop system in this case is
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Can't Lyapunov stability apply to forced systems, like closed-loop systems for example?
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Yes it was a bit messy. But why edit on a subject you are not familiar with?
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This looks like a really cute lemma, but does it belong on this page?
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http://www.mne.ksu.edu/research/laboratories/non-linear-controls-lab
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unless other pages refer back to it, I think it is a good section.
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bound is sufficiently small. But there is no estimate of how small.
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contribution, this equation is negative semi-definite, i.e.
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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origin)? Also you might want to mention the norms involved.
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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well a short bibliography would be useful, wouldn't it?
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