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truly, then aged 5, for a YEAR, in a bloody FULL-BODY CAST, because I would apparently otherwise never grow properly (however, I'm a muscular broad-shouldered built 189 cm at age 24 today). That incident occurred after prolonged doctor shopping of maybe a dozen different physicians. My grandfather fortunately rescued me from said hospitalization, by bullying my father into confronting my mother and making her back off. However, that was nowhere near the end of it. Over the course of my childhood and adolescence, I've had surgically removed a hernia that almost certainly was not there, and been subjected to 9 months of daily antibiotics for tuberculosis undetectiblisis, to be continued for another year or so if my grandfather hadn't again bullied all parties involved to reason. Btw, this time, 10 yo me was implicitly instructed to not talk to grandpa, a pharmaceutical executive (!) no less, about the pills I was taking daily, and to dodge any questions that he might have. Furthermore, I was later often treated with antibiotics for anything whatsoever, and given optional immunizations to everything under the sun, including illnesses never seen on any continent I would be expected to ever visit. That course of antibiotic treatment is still messing with my gut flora and immunity over a dozen years later: ever since, I've had persistent dandruff, any old opportunistic fungus sticks to me like to a terminal AIDS patient, and my gastrointestinal system is about as predictable and reliable as a Soviet automobile. In later adolescence, I was constantly treated for asthma, which miraculously resolved itself the very day I moved out to go to college at age 17, and predictably hasn't reared its head since. Thinking about it, I realize the MSbP has even affected me in my adult years, with mum convincing me to have an unnecessary deviated septum surgery at 22, under the rationale that I wouldn't be covered by the parents' medical insurance for much longer. Failed attempts included trying to persuade me to have a circumcision at an adult age, persistent nagging about using the services of a full-time nurse employed by my ailing grandmother to make me injections of vitamins, nootropes, and myriad other beneficial compounds that yours truly apparently wasn't expected to live without, and constant bullying to go see a shrink about something or other (suggested problems and issues varied greatly with time). Ever since I've told her off, my father seems to have been undergoing a surprising amount of invasive testing procedures (transference, perhaps?). Also, don't know if this might be of any help, but dear mum's medicine cabinet is ALWAYS stocked with the entire top20 list of prescription meds in the US *and* loads of Russian prescriptions that she definitely hasn't been prescribed for lack of seeing a single doctor in Russia in the last 15 years. That's including stuff she has never, ever taken, even (legitimately acquired) prescription narcotics despite never having had any surgery or condition, most of which she acquired by bullshitting her meek and terrified little Japanese physician, and which she keeps on hand for "just in case". Oh, and why Type 2? Because I am beyond certain that the old bat believes in all her crap, religiously so. Sure, she's manipulative as hell, but she only ever manages to get herself worked up and go into crusade mode when she has a cause, and she's pathetic at lying unless she honestly believes it to be for the greater good. HOPE THIS ACCOUNT HELPS SOMEONE.

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during the trial. Those odds in fact range from a low of 1:8500 to as high as 1:200." The cited article mentions this number, but they are misrepresented in the article. The 1:8500-1:200 range is indeed the probability os SIDS for ONE child, depending on risk factors. In the absence of risk factors, 1:8500. This is PRECISELY the figure Meadow used, by squaring it, to get 1:73millions. The wording, pretending to debunk Meadow's use os statistics (it's indeed wrong...) is doing an even much worse probabilistic error than Meadow did. As I am a proponent of the MBP label, I won't modify the article (at least not now), but would rather some opponent of the MBP label do it. By courtesy.

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truly nothing wrong with the child, and that under normal circumstances, the child is well, not ill. They seem to want to make their child better, somehow not fully comprehending that the child would have to become ill first before this is possible (you cannot become more well than healthy, you have to "become ill" before you can "get better"). At the same time as not comprehending, and wanting the child to get BETTER, they seem to take actions ENSURING that the child becomes ILL. In this case, fame, money, attention, seem less important - they WANT the child to be treated, and that is all that matters.

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most attention, it is also possible for a perpetrator who emotionally abuses a victim to simulate and fabricate conditions that appear to be psychiatric and/or genetic problems. Health professionals can also be guilty of intentionally or unintentionally inducing or creating the illusion of illness. An iatrogenic condition is defined as a state of ill health induced by medical treatment. 'Iatrogenic' literally means "caused by a doctor", although such conditions can be the result of malpractice perpetrated by therapists, nurses, pharmacists, or other caregivers as well.

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disorder, it should be revised. The error is particularly egregious given the topic at hand; this misinformation could stand to reinforce pathological behavior patterns in a person with MS. While not always appropriate, many people inform themselves and do research on symptoms using Knowledge (XXG), and this misleading section could urge them to think they genuinely need an expensive or invasive examination.

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had to cover my face with a thick layer of goose fat salve preparation to keep me from suffering severe symptoms of exposure. Mum rationalized it aggressively as good for the immune system, citing some rearing children manual never read by anyone, and supposedly written by a California doc (who almost certainly never, ever saw snow except on skiing trips).

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Yeah, sure, I realize the following will be quite anecdotal, but the proposed Type 2 certainly exists, as I have unfortunately grown up a victim thereof. Nearly all my childhood memories revolve around doctors, hospitals, or meds. My dear old mum once browbeat a doc into planning to hospitalize yours

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No. The article is flatly wrong: "It was subsequently shown that once other factors (e.g. genetic or environmental) were taken into consideration, the true odds were much greater, i.e., there was a significantly higher likelihood of two deaths happening as a chance occurrence than Meadow had claimed

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In FII a caregiver, usually a parent, guardian, or spouse, feigns or induces an illness in another person, usually a vulnerable child or adult, to gain power and control over the victim as well as attention or sympathy from others. Although cases with feigned or induced physical illness receive the

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Type 2: FII which is induced based on an unshakable "faith" or "belief" that the victim IS ill and MUST be treated, or possibly a belief that the victim is "supposed" to be ill, that there is something wrong with them, even when there isn't. The inducer is somehow unable to understand that there is

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I can't find any statistics that confirm the following: This variation possibly reflects broad statistics on survivors of child abuse in general, where around 30% go on to also become abusers. The article linked to actually states that 35% of perpetrators have been sexually abused, not that 35% of

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serving as two examples, I believe authors to consider Münchausen by Internet as yet another means to enact the original syndrome, but not specifically significant nor an entity as possibly indicated in the corresponding Knowledge (XXG) article. Given that, with additional reference to the way the

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I have corrected this again, by removing the plot line about the girl's sister (which has less to do with MSBP and more to do about the plot of the film) and re-instated the bit about the red dress, which is very illustrative about (Hollywood's depiction of / common perception of) the disease. If

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The explanation of iatrogeny belongs in an article about that topic, not factitious disorder by proxy. Also, there is no source backing the statements about iatrogenic factitious disorder by proxy. When physicians obey some patients with extreme desires - such as treating them for cancer when they

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PS about the "making subject ill so that he can be made well again": come to think of it, I recall being obsessively walked as a small child during winter, even despite a tanked system with constant colds and ear infections, AT LEAST 4 HOURS PER DAY IN -25 CELSIUS CONDITIONS, to the point that she

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14:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)Well said, Athcnv. I might add: within type 2 can be a caregiver seeking confirmation of being a good caregiver by seeking out help for their charge, who might not be in the position to seek out help, even if he/she needs it (small child, senior, pet). Seeking out help for

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After reading a newspaper article this morning, I thought I would look into the subject matter, and, as a wikipedian, the first place I turned to was here... ZOMG! To bring this article anywhere near a half-decent standard is going to take some work. In the first instance I have flagged it up with

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According to the DSM, this would be the most accurate name for the topic, however, It would be better to restate it as Factitious disorder imposed on another with Munchhausen's syndrome by-proxy following it in some way. When I first looked into the topic, I did not make the connection to the two

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It stands for "fabricated or induced illness". Its used in the UK rather than "Munchausens syndrome by proxy" which rather fell out of use, particularly around the time of Meadows demise. Also occasionally called fabricated or induced illness "syndrome" (pronounced "fizz") which may be a hangover

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There was a paragraph in the topic heading that was very strongly anti-religious, accusing religious clergy of FII using weasel words like "some." It was sourced, but on a closer look, the sources had NOTHING to do with that paragraphy, and in no way mentioned religion, clergy, or Christianity. I

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I've found that there are a few different ways phrasing methods used to connect MSbP/FII to the people involved, and not only are they inconsistent, some of them can seem like they are trying to excuse the behavior. Specifically, the problem is with phrasing along the lines of someone 'having' or

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Sources do not say that the MbI patterns are specifically related to Munchausen by proxy. Rather, they say that MbI is a manifestation of Factitious disorder expressed online. Furthermore, the internet-related issues about online identities and communities is extensive enough to be irrelevant to

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As the person who originally split this page off from the Munchausen Syndrome article, I do understand the arguements for naming this page MSbP rather than FII - it was a tough call to make. However, from what I could discover, MSbP was never any kind of official name, but rather simply what Dr.

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An editor has added information on the Lacey Spears case, an ongoing criminal trial to which the defendant has entered a Not Guilty plea. The case is relevant to the article, but I have changed the language to include "allegedly." I could easily be convinced that the mention should be deleted

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I understand this as: the perpetrator can lie to or about the victim to people on the outside and/or "push the victim's buttons" to draw out a reaction that, taken out of context, may be seen as psychotic. By later exaggerating the reaction, inventing it, or lying about the circumstances, the

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The section on diagnosis includes references to an article on MSbP. In this medscape.com article, 14 different tests "may be considered," ranging from UA to MRI. In the wiki article, it says these tests "may be required." Because the diagnosis section relies entirely on another factitious

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Although the court case is an interesting read- the controversy insuated in the first paragraph and the cases themselves don't directly tie into the subject (at least the way this paragraph is written). This is information directly related to Roy Meadow himself almost outside the context of

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in the diagnosis section it says “ Munchausen syndrome by proxy is a controversial term.“ maybe you could cite something or provide clarification, because the following lines make it just seem like the FDIA name is just a clearer/better name. nothing makes munchausen look controversial

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Hello all! I believe I am going to move the Warning Signs section under "Diagnosis" to the above section "Signs and Symptoms" & add the diagnostic criteria under "Diagnosis". Please let me know if you have any concerns about any of these changes or other suggestions!

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Type 1: FII which is induced for reasons of glory, fame, attention, to play god, or similar. Where someone makes some else ill so they can benefit from it (e.g.: as a careworker treating a patient, or as a parent getting in the papers, or benefiting through fundraising).

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A huge element of the plot of Lars Von Trier's Antichrist revolves around a mother suffering Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. (She deliberately puts her child's shoes on the wrong feet, effectively mutilating the child over a long period of time).

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Meadow had called the phenomenon. FII was the first and only "official" name that it was given that I could find. Even though MSbP is the more known name by far, it still seems more appropriate to put this article under the more formal name. -

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After extended debate, Munchausen syndrome now redirects to Factitious disorder, and Munchausen syndrome by proxy redirects to Factitious disorder imposed on another. Please do not revert without discussing here and at Factitious disorder.

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Hey, thanks for commenting. We should not make such a split unless there is medical documentation of two types. Knowledge (XXG)'s purpose is to document existing, verifiable knowledge, not to publish new theories (per

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I found this book to explain very well the aspects behind such type of personality. Perhaps it would merit a mention in the Popular culture section. There's a book, and there's also an HBO series based on the book.

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I'm not aware of there being any medical documentation which mentions 2 specific types. I just got the impression from the article that there could be 2 distinct groups of reasons - greed and "belief".

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The previous article somewhat seems to imply that fact that some children are harmed, by default, prove MSbP. This is grossly inaccurate claim. I believe my edit made clear where the controversy is.

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Apparently, from looking at the history, FII stands for "Ficticious or Induced Illness", but it STILL needs a clear definition and listing of who came up with the term and who tends to use it.

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and more. I suggest these two pages are fused into one which would be reduced to a list of wikilinks to individual diseases. In other words, the article would be converted to a category.

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where MSbP was a plot element, but I don't know the year or episode title. If anyone can find it, it should be added to the "popular culture" section. Also perhaps add a reference to

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most attention, it is also possible for a perpetrator who emotionally abuses a victim to simulate and fabricate conditions that appear to be psychiatric and/or genetic problems.

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I think it's problematic that this page contains the term "fictitious" when in fact the illness is sometimes induced on purpose. It's not always about faking an illness.

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Did some minor copy edit (serial commas, hyphenated compound modifiers, MOS fixes) and removed the maintenance template. I feel the lead could be expanded a little. –

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Why does this article say that Munchausen syndrome by proxy: pet is a factitious disorder? If it's factitious, why is described in medical literature?

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discredited ones - and see how they are approached. This is quite a controversial subject and one of the thrusts of future edits should be to ensure

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The current version uses the acronym FII quite a bit but it is not clearly defined. I would fix this but I have no real knowledge of this subject.

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from MBP "syndrome". It would be better if this article were called FII although in popular literature/media, MSBP is probably better known.

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from MSN Entertainment. It gives the "Worst Medical Overkill" award to the use of Munchausen Syndrome and MSbP in various medical dramas. --

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specifically about using a proxy. What should happen is that a summary of the MbI article is put into the Factitious disorder article.

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conditions "diagnosed" by the caregiver may also be an attempt to mask a condition that does exist but is difficult to diagnose.

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Fabricated or Induced Illness. Great information on Meadow, but I learned nothing of "Fabricated or Induced Illness" from it.

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why is that a redirect to here rather than this being there, when that is a term for which people might actually search?

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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template messages, and I will now read through similar articles we have about medical conditions - particularly

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It is also spelled with a double 'H', being a compound: Münch-hausen (i.e. not Münc-hausen, or Münch-ausen).

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disorders, and feel a clearer explanation of the link would be helpful to those reading the article.

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one were to change this again, please explain (here) why the changes are helpful. Thanks!

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either Factitious disorder or Munchausen by proxy. This article deserves its own space. --

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This article should either be heavily edited or deleted. The bulk of it makes no sense.

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People will not search for this term, and it's all already here under the correct terms

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be merged with this parent article, based on the following: per the literature, with

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You could suggest that the page be renamed if you think that name is more accurate.

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Munchausen syndrome by proxy is central to the background of the main protagonist,

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removed the POV, and am very dissapointed that noone has done so before.--

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In Episode 6, "A Man's Price", in the American television crime drama

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would be better served so merged. This was also suggested by me in a

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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

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