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it never achieved commercial success. On a side note, I have never heard of a rapper named "Mack 10" and I think if you were to ask the average person about him they probably would not know who he is. They might know about the gun though. So my opinion is that "Mack 10" does not need to be mentioned.
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I believe you, but there's a difference between "one, or a few, members of SOF-D are carrying MAC-10s" and "SOF-D generally issues, or issues notable quantities of, MAC-10s". If you look hard enough at US special forces units, and those of many other countries, you find that nearly every notable
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I am that "dumbass" who wrote that the MAC10 is used by DELTA force. I did NOT write it as a joke, I have personnaly seen members of DELTA in Iraq using MAC10s, and I'm positive that they weren't Uzi series weapons. I just couldn't find anything on the internet to cite as a source. QZX
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