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conspicuous consumption. Marin is known for quite the opposite--the huge amounts of money driving used Honda
Accords. It has a high density of BMWs because people can afford the highest quality cars, not because people are showing off (it would be logically impossible to show off a BMW in a place where everyone can afford one!) You will see a much higher standard deviation of flashy cars most anywhere in the country--you'll see more Ferraris in Utah than Marin. And a simple google search shows "basic marin wheels" was a big phrase one week in the 80s. Okay, I'll stop now, but it needs to be cleaned up, and I've already spent my time writing this paragraph!--
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Anderson and look at all the guys standing there waiting for work... it's an eye-opener. Marin City is different: it's public housing but the density per square mile is still quite high, and the average income is very low, with many people below the poverty line (hence my use of the word poverty). This is also true in the Canal.
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No significant part of Marin County suffers from "overcrowding" (incredible!) and "poverty" -- this is all a fabrication on the part of a bitter editor who wishes to disparage the county. This intent is reflecting in the language employed to describe this supposed marginalized subsection of society.
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This sentence is problematic: "Marino definitely did reside at
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going on here. i just added it. hope no one freaks out -- it's just the truth. ask an average bay area resident (i lived in sf most of the 90's) about marin and they'd say "rich, liberal, new-age, natural beauty". and now that's exactly what it does say -- previously it only had the other three.
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The economic disparity referenced in the introduction is also mentioned in other parts of the article; in any case, such disparity is NOT unique to Marin County and has absolutely no place in the first paragraph (which should highlight Marin's postiive attributes). The fact that so many people have
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Marin County has the highest per capita income of any county in the United States. This is driven in particular by expensive enclaves in Sausalito, Belvedere, Tiburon, Mill Valley, Larkspur, Corte Madera, Kentfield, Ross, San Anselmo, and portions of San Rafael and Novato where displays of
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in the list of Cities, Towns and Unincorporated places? Alternatively there could be a new section on state and national parks with Angel Island included in ther with the Headlands, Mt Tam and the other various parks in Marin. Any thoughts?
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