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orgasm," rather than the Philadelphia Museum of Art's article which states "Brancusi was infuriated by the comparison . He insisted the sculpture was a portrayal of a feminine ideal and denied alternate readings that characterized it as a sign of his desire for its model or a formulation of sexual duality." Art interpretations from any but the sculptor aside, as pertains to this article about Marie it is important to state correctly how the sculptor envisioned his model.
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Freud was held captive in Austria by the Nazis until Bonaparte paid them a ransom of a quarter of a million Austrian schillings. His passport was then returned and he was permitted to emigrate. Such ransoms were not uncommon in the beginning of the Nazi conquest of Europe. I've also seen the figure
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I am looking for medical literature about her surgeries that mentions what was done to the pudendal nerve in the process. I haven't found anything about it. At that time, it was not possible to separate a clitoral glans from the place where it has grown and transplant it without cutting through the
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Getting a bit off topic here. The question was, can anyone find a source that backs the article's statement that Brâncuși "represented her or caricatured her as a large gleaming bronze phallus. This phallus symbolizes the model's obsession with the penis and her lifelong quest to achieve vaginal
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I agree insofar as we have no really good source for what the article currently states, and so the article should not include that statement. But insofar as "Princess X" is concerned, the artist's opinion is only important as counterpoint to the fact that it gave rise to scandal because observers
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Is there a "free" picture of it we can add to the article? That would seem to be the best course. Let people see it and decide whether it looks most like a contemplative princess or a giant glistening dick. Sometimes the artist is the last to know; intent doesn't always accurately describe the
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After sleeping on it, I agree rewording it is best. The sculpture did in fact cause scandal because many people thought it looked like a phallus; even today the image will get labelled as obscene and is often removed from websites. But the problem in the current text is the misrepresentation of
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Her paternal grandfather was Pierre Napoleon Bonaparte, son of Lucien Bonaparte, Napoleon's rebellious younger brother. For this reason, despite her title Marie was not a member of the dynastic branch of the Bonapartes who claimed the French imperial throne from
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For this: "It was to Marie Bonaparte that Sigmund Freud remarked, "The great question that has never been answered and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is ‘What does a woman want?’"."
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article text is not what people think this sculpture does or does not represent; it's that this text states that the artist intended it to represent a phallus, which is patently untrue from my research. Even the article for
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If anyone can show a reliable source proving the alternative story as quoted above, please post. If there is no dissenting discussion, I will reword or remove this passage in a week.
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I think we need to remain silent on what the sculptor intended and speak instead of what he said he intended. (P.S. is the use of the word "detest" as a noun in the
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what the sculpture is and what Brâncuși intended, which was a minimalist portrait of a woman looking at herself, entranced by her own beauty.
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article that we could post, but it's not the best angle. The picture at the Philadelphia Museum of Art's entry for this sculpture (
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This gives the impression that the reason her family's status (which I believe means they were not given the priviledges of
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But, yes it is. The noun is "detestation", but "loathing" or "disgust" etc., might fit just as well. So I've corrected it.
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in 1915, and he was suspected of wanting to make her Queen of Greece. Is this corroborated in any biography of the woman?
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He didn't really capture that delicate lace veil with the pretty headband, did he. The perils of Modernism, I guess.
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Wasn't Marie Bonaparte's title Papal rather than French? (See the articles about her father and his title)
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According to a book which I'm reading on the Salonika Campaign, she was the mistress of French PM
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Why was there "a scandal"? I think a re-word might be more advisable than a wholesale removal.
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Or is their status due to descending from the branch that held the Papal (not French) title of
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was "rebellious". I don't believe this is the case. Isn't it because her maternal grandfather,
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Could someone clarify the term "ransom" as applied to Freud and the National Socialists?
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thought it remarkably penis-like. There are some interesting and sourced quotations
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say the opposite, as does the Philadelphia Museum of Art's entry for this sculpture (
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would think this sculpture resembles a penis! How can people be so blind!
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But the sculpture has its own article. Again, the problem I have with
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All things considered, I much prefer it to Magritte's masterwork,
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based on Freud's difficulties escaping the clutches of the Nazis.
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