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The term, "Democrat," especially when it is capitalized (thus, indicating a proper noun) in the opening descriptions is unnecessary. If his political party should be noted, it should be in appropriate places - such as the right-hand margins. A "democrat" is much different - to wit, the GOP co-founded
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For as long as I've been aware of him (dating back to the mid-90s), Michael Eric Dyson has been universally referred to by his full name, "Michael Eric Dyson" -- not "Michael Dyson". This is also reflected in the name of one of his books, "The
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I appreciate your advice on this matter. Instead of deleting the section, I made edits to ensure balance and neutrality, even citing the WNYC interview you mentioned. For instance, I clarified that only one student's accusations were investigated, not several. The initial article might reference
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