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474: 210: 186: 317: 296: 270: 418: 394: 42: 1261:. It isn't a topic that is "more likely than all the other topics combined". And a page view analysis is fundamentally flawed when a more general title redirects to a more specific title; people who are searching for the more general title may end up viewing the more specific Knowledge article if they arrive via an external search engine, even if the more specific article was not what they were looking for. 1153:: if the page was merged/copied, you cannot delete the edit history of the source page. It needs to be renamed to a different pagename, if the name it currently occupies is usurped by a different page. Thus if the content that was on what is now a redirect, was copied/merged, then the edit history of the redirect needs to be retained, so the redirect needs to also be renamed. -- 33: 96: 75: 106: 1531:
Hello Amakuru the following link shows the page as was in June 2019 when it was predominantly about skeletal muscle but had the introduction of muscle tissue being of three types including cardiac and smooth. Cardiac and smooth were given 'lip service' to in the article and the rest was given over to
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As far as I know, or understand, the history of the previous Muscle page follows the merge with Skeletal muscle, which generally results from any text to text merge. The page history for Muscle tissue if it changes to Muscle will not change - I cannot see that any change of redirect will need further
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It seemed the most logical way of dealing with all the duplicated material and giving equal weight to all three tissues on their own pages. To include all three types in detail on the one page Muscle would have been clumsy and overly long. The Muscle tissue page serves as well as the Muscle page as
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Yup. I suggest some research on the various muscle-related articles and sections of articles. This is definitely an issue with more than one article, while the discussion above did not take enough of the other articles into account (hence the conflict post the original closure). I have no skin in
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The primary topic of 'muscle' is not 'skeletal muscle'. We can see that in the perennial news of heart disease and that it's common to eat crab/lobster/shrimp/etc. It is more appropriate to summarize information on all types of muscle and link out to those large, well-researched articles, as is
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it covers muscle in general without favouring one type - there is just the question/problem of changing the redirect of Muscle to Muscle tissue. The page could be, as you suggest, returned to Muscle page but it would just contain all the undue weighted skeletal muscle material.
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but what's the justification for moving a different page on a different topic, over the page that was previously merged to skeletal muscle? That makes no sense at all, but I assume it makes sense to you because you've closed the discussion as "moved". Cheers
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here, with the information that readers will be seeking if they search for muscles, and as noted this page was the home of that content until last year. Links to cardiac muscle, smooth muscle or muscle tissue can be provided in a hatnote.
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seems to fit that scope. I'm ambivalent about whether we should leave the actual article at its current name and change the target of the redirect, or page-move it there. If it's moved, I would keep
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There is no reason why muscle has to "link to an article describing all types of muscle tissues". It should link to the primary topic for this term, which is what it currently does. See also
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was merged from the muscle article last year, and is the main material which should be presented to readers on this topic. Muscle tissue is a separate matter, and the proposal in 2013
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Everything here apart from cut and paste is on Muscle page where it is better presented. It seems to have been a redirect to Muscle a long time ago and then found its way back.--
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should link to an article describing all types of muscle tissues. What ends up happening to the 'Muscle tissue' page is a different discussion, but redirecting to
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Well, I suppose consensus can change over time. Something that may not be justified at one point in time may be justified in another, and vice versa. Let's ask @
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I'm just attempting to move this based on the reflection on consensus for this RM, which seems to heavily support this move. What do we think?
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is relevant and was considered, however the contradictory argument—that using page views in this scenario is ineffective—was more substantive.
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sorry, I don't understand the rationale of this move at all; why are we moving a page on muscle tissue to the general page
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action as to its history. But if I am wrong I'm sure there will be somebody with a better understanding who can step up.
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Changes have been made to this page and now the unnecessary page is Muscle which is a duplicate of Skeletal muscle.--
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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Muscle tissue has always been an independent page so its history will follow any move to a renamed page.
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less than half the total page views to skeletal muscle+cardiac muscle+smooth muscle+muscle tissue+muscle
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should be about contractile tissue generally, so I do not support keeping it as a redirect to the
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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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The graph in the first section shouldn't have legends in German, if it's an English article.
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about whether or not this move shall proceed. They seem to participate in RMTR quite often.
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thanks - maybe we can relist the discussion and allow another week to discuss? Cheers  —
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back in 2013 was justified as the article essentially did not not do this at the time (
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The result of the move request was: After a month of discussion, there a
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this game (if you'll pardon the pun), but I can support as needed. -
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supports that they're more or less equally important and viewed. ―
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was expressly rejected. I would definitely support a move of
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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need to be moved as it was merged? Such as moving it to
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Well, I guess that's the new consensus then, let's go.
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