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Your only chance is to provide explicit, concrete, overwhelming proof of the claim that “Nor’easter” is not a recognizable term to those familiar with extreme weather—on the contrary that audience is the one that least needs any change to this article’s name—and of the claim that this proposed name
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This storm was objectively far more significant and impactful than many listed on this page, even many with separate articles, yet crickets on Wiki. When will an article be created? This met the bomb cyclone definition, had numerous wind reports over 90mph and even a few over 100mph in coastal Mass,
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I suggest reversing the order of major sections: Swap positions of "Etymology and usage" with "Geography and formation characteristics". In other words, discuss details of nor'easter behavior first, then discuss the unsettled etymology afterward. Even though I'm fascinated with etymology, I don't
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Not recently, as far as I can tell; sources from 50+ years ago use it, but more recent sources use generic terms. If there is a better term than "northeaster cyclone" I have no objection to using it; I just want a term that readers familiar with the subject area of "extreme weather" will recognize,
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recognizable term for these storms, so none of the five criteria that would override COMMONNAME apply. The burden isn’t on me or anyone else here to find a better alternative, which would in any case require a new discussion, so it remains that this one is dead on arrival. To give an analogy,
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