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I have not found any actual discussion from reputable sources, but this article seems more formatted as "here are the facts about this race" rather than "This is a race of aliens whose existence has not been confirmed. Here is what witnesses say". Because the scientific consensus is that we have yet
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They are indeed human, but not of any type I had ever before come face to face with. The physique is powerful, the neck short and strong and shoulders broad. The head is of a robust size with a very large cranium and high forehead. The eyes are closer together than the average
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The cluster is very young, no more than 150 million years old. Any planets orbiting the stars of this cluster would also be equally young. In fact, when the Earth was 150 million years old, it was still in the Hadean eon, characterized by regular impacts from asteroids and comets. Its surface was
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WW1. I thought him mad until the age of 19 when i saw what our French cousins call an "Ovni" on the south coast of
England. Fortunately I was one of several persons to see it. Discussing it subsequently and many years later brought a visit from a "Nordic" man. I confirm the following:
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Are we reading the same article? Please take a look at it again if you've forgotten meanwhile. This article is all about "reports" and "descriptions", not facts. I'm not really seeing the problem. —
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