Talk:Norodom Chakrapong

3318:ប្រវត្តិ របស់សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា នរោត្ដម ច័ក្រពង់្ស រៀបរៀងដោយ ៖ យូ សារ៉ាវុឍ្ឍ Sunday 14 September 2014 - 4:22 pm - ផ្សាយក្នុងផ្នែក ៖ ខ្សែជីវិតពិត សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា នរោត្ដម ច័ក្រពង់្ស អតីតជាឧបនាយករដ្ឋមន្ត្រី, សមាជិកព្រឹទ្ធ, តំណាងរាស្ត្រ, សមាជិកក្រុមប្រឹក្សាធម្មនុញ្ញ និងតំណែងជាច្រើនទៀត ទាំងផ្នែកនយោបាយ និងធុរកិច្ច។ ១.ប្រវត្តិសង្ខេប norodom-chakrapong–នាម និង គោត្តនាម ៖ នរោត្ដម ច័ក្រពង់្ស –សញ្ជាតិ ៖ ខ្មែរ –ថ្ងៃ ខែ ឆ្នាំ កំនើត ៖ ១២ ខែតុលា ឆ្នាំ១៩៤៥។ –ទីកន្លែងកំនើត ៖ នៅក្រុងភ្នំពេញ។ –អាសយដ្ឋានបច្ចុប្បន្ន ៖ រាជធានីភ្នំពេញ។ –ព្រះអង្គ ជាព្រះរាជបុត្រ នៃព្រះករុណា ព្រះបាទ សម្ដេចព្រះ នរោត្ដម សីហនុ ជាមួយនឹងព្រះអង្គម្ចាស់ ស៊ីសុវត្ថិ មុនីកេសន និងជាព្រះរៀមមាតាទីទៃ នៃព្រះករុណាព្រះបាទសម្ដេចព្រះ នរោត្ដម សីហមុនី ព្រះមហាក្ស័ត្រិយ៍ នៃព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា។ ២.ការសិក្សា –១៩៥៨ – ១៩៦៣ សិក្សានៅវិទ្យាល័យម៉ារស៊ីល្ល (Marseille) ប្រទេសបារាំង។ –១៩៦៣ – ១៩៦៦ ជាមន្ត្រី និងសិស្សទាហានអាកាសយានិក នៃកងទ័ពជើងអាកាសខេមរភូមិន្ទ។ –១៩៦៨ – ១៩៦៩ រៀនបច្ចេកទេសបើកបរយន្តហោះចម្បាំងនៅប្រទេសបារាំង។ –១៩៧២ – ១៩៧៣ បណ្ឌិតសភាយោធាផ្នែកសេនាធិការ (ជំនាន់ទី៥) នៅប្រទេសកម្ពុជា។ –១៩៨៥ រៀនអគ្គមេបញ្ជាការជាន់ខ្ពស់ នៅល្វបុរី ប្រទេសថៃ។ ៣.ព្រះកិច្ចនានា 8news.ap.org_r620x349–១៩៦៦ – ១៩៧០ ជាមន្ត្រី និងអាកាសយានិក នៃទ័ពជើងអាកាសខេមរភូមិន្ទ។ –១៩៧៣ – ១៩៧៥ ព្រះប្រធានពិធីការសម្ដេចព្រះ នរោត្ដម សីហនុ ព្រះប្រមុខរដ្ឋកម្ពុជា។ –១៩៧៥ – ១៩៧៦ បណ្ឌិតយោធាទ័ពអាកាសនៅប្រទេសយូកូស្លាវី។ –១៩៨២ – ១៩៨៥ រដ្ឋមន្ត្រីក្រសួងសុខាភិបាល និងសង្គមកិច្ច នៅក្នុងរដ្ឋាភិបាលចម្រុះកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ ត្រីភាគី។ –១៩៨៥ – ១៩៩១ រដ្ឋមន្ត្រីក្រសួងការពារជាតិ នៅក្នុងរដ្ឋាភិបាលចម្រុះកម្ពុជាប្រជាធិបតេយ្យ ត្រីភាគី និងជាអនុប្រធានទីមួយនៃកងទ័ពសីហនុនិយម។ –១៩៩២ – ១៩៩៣ ឧបនាយករដ្ឋមន្ត្រី នៃរដ្ឋកម្ពុជា ទទួលបន្ទុកក្រសួងចំនួន៧ (ឧស្សាហកម្ម, ទេសចរណ៍, អប់រំ, សង្គមកិច្ច, វប្បធម៌, អាកាសចរណ៍ស៊ីវិល)។ ព្រះប្រធាននៃអាកាសចរណ៍កម្ពុជា ត្រូវបានបោះឆ្នោតជ្រើសរើសជាសមាជិកសភា (គណបក្សប្រជាជនកម្ពុជា)។ –១៩៩២ – ១៩៩៤ សមាជិកអចិន្ត្រៃយ៍នយោបាយនៃគណៈបក្សប្រជាជនកម្ពុជា។ –១៩៩៤ ទទួលតំណែងជាឧត្ដមសេនីយ៍ផ្កាយ៤ នៃកងយុទ្ធពលខេមរភូមិន្ទ។ –១៩៩៤ – ១៩៩៨ នាយករងខុទ្ទកាល័យសម្ដេចនាយករដ្ឋមន្ត្រី។ –១៩៩៩ – ២០០៥ ទីប្រឹក្សារាជរដ្ឋាភិបាលកម្ពុជា មានព្រះឋានៈស្មើឧបនាយករដ្ឋមន្ត្រី សមាជិកព្រឹទ្ធសភា នៃព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា។ –១៩៩៩ – ២០០៦ ព្រះប្រធានអគ្គនាយកនៃក្រុមហ៊ុនអាកាសចរណ៍ រ៉ូយ៉ាល់ភ្នំពេញ អ៊ែរវេយ៍។ –២០០៦ – ២០០៧ អនុប្រធានគណៈបក្ស នរោត្ដម រណឫទ្ធិ។ –២០០៧ ចូលនិវត្តន៍ពីនយោបាយ។ –២០០៧ – បច្ចុប្បន្ន ព្រះប្រធានមូលនិធិ សម្ដេច នរោត្ដម រ៉ាវិវង្ស។ –១៩៩៩ – បច្ចុប្បន្ន ឧត្ដមទីប្រឹក្សាផ្ទាល់ព្រះមហាក្សត្រិយ៍ មានព្រះឋានៈស្មើឧបនាយករដ្ឋមន្ត្រី។ –បច្ចប្បន្ន សមាជិកក្រុមប្រឹក្សាធម្មនុញ្ញ។ ៤.ជីវិតអាពាហ៍ពិពាហ៍ –សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា នរោត្ដម ច័ក្រពង់្ស ទ្រង់មានព្រះជាយា និងព្រះបុត្រាបុត្រី ដូចតទៅនេះ៖ ១. អ្នកម្នាង ហ៊ុន សឿន មានបុត្រាបុត្រីចំនួន៥ព្រះអង្គ៖ 1.អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម ពុទ្ធពង្ស 2. អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម អមឫទ្ធិវង្ស 3. អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម នរាវង្ស 4. អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម នឫទ្ធិពង្ស 5. អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម រវិចក្រ។ ២. អ្នកម្នាង ជូឡុង ខេធី អភិសេកថ្ងៃទី១៨ ខែវិច្ឆិកា ឆ្នាំ១៩៦៥ និងមានបុត្រមួយព្រះអង្គ៖ –អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម នន្ទាទេវី។ ៣. អ្នកម្នាង ដួង ឌីយ៉ាត អភិសេកថ្ងៃទី១០ វិច្ឆិកា ឆ្នាំ១៩៦៧ និងមានបុត្រ៣ព្រះអង្គ៖ 1.អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម វិមាលា 2.អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម បុប្ផារី 3.អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម ឥន្ទ្រពង្ស។ ៤. អ្នកម្នាង ដួង យ៉ានី អភិសេកឆ្នាំ១៩៧៤ និងមានបុត្រ១ព្រះអង្គ៖ –អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម នរិន្ទ្រា។ ៥. អ្នកម្នាង ចារុវណ្ណ ដួងចន្ទ្រ (ជនជាតិថៃ) និងមានបុត្រាមួយព្រះអង្គ៖ –អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម ចារុរក្ស។ ៦. អ្នកម្នាង មុនីរាម និងមានបុត្រចំនួន២ព្រះអង្គ៖ –អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម ពង្សសុរិយា អ្នកអង្គម្ចាស់ នរោត្ដម ពង្សមុនីរ៉េត។ ៧. អ្នកម្នាង គជានិភា (ជនជាតិថៃ) ៥.គ្រឿងឥស្សរិយយស សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា នរោត្ដម ច័ក្រពង់្ស ទ្រង់បានទទួលការស្ថាបនាព្រះឥស្សរិយយសពីព្រះករុណា ព្រះបាទសម្ដេចព្រះ នរោត្ដម សីហនុ ព្រះមហាក្ស័ត្រិយ៍ នៃព្រះរាជាណាចក្រកម្ពុជា ជាបន្តបន្ទាប់ ដូចជា៖ –១៩៩៤ ជា «ស្ដេចក្រុមឃុន»។ –១៩៩៩ ជា «សម្ដេច»។ –៣១ សីហា ២០០៤ ជា «សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា»។ ទំព័រទាក់ទង –សម្ដេចព្រះមហិស្សរា នរោត្ដម ចក្រពង់្ស 2052:

president by Prince Ranariddh this year,....". But it is necessary to quote ref#25 as well since it reflects his senate seat based in Prey Veng. #Ref 26 (dated 10 Mar 2006) reflects states that Chakrapong has been appointed to the post in the sentence, "Prince Chakrapong, who was also named Senate first deputy president by Prince Ranariddh this year,...", and also elaborates Chakrapong's nomination for FUNCINPEC's sec-gen and dissent with the party at length, shown in sentences such as "Voicing unprecedented dissent, senior Funcinpec officials spoke out in criticism of their embattled party leader Prince Norodom Ranariddh ...." I hope that the rearrangement with the rationale stated above may have adequately addressed the issue?

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to an " implied point". Lets say that in "Source X", it supports two facts expicitly and implied one. You input the 3 points in one sentence. As a rule of thumb, yes--another source would be needed to back up the implied point. But again, what is the line between an "explicit" and "implied" point? There seems to be no clear boundary on this, some have stricter interpretations than others. You see two Muslim ladies for example; one wears a Hijab (headscarf) and the other does not. ....the one who wears the Hijab is pious Muslim but can you say that the other lady is not a "pious" Muslim since she does not wear the Hijab? She does not eat pork, prays five times a day and so on.....

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Chakrapong quit Funcinpec to join the CPP. He was given a seat in the party's politburo, and in January 1992 Chakrapong was appointed Deputy Prime Minister in charge of civil aviation, tourism, industry, culture, education, and social welfare affairs. Shortly after he was appointed to the post, Chakrapong was appointed director of Kampuchea Airlines. He also encouraged foreign investment in Cambodia and provided support to investors that established financial institutions and enterprises in the country. → I know it's his name, but you use Chakrapong so many times in this paragraph alone.

2705:" Which are the additional citations that have issues in this article??? Please, if you present to me that let's say there are 20 citations that have issues, missed out 3 or 4 of them and tell me the next round that the 3 or 4 of them needs to be addressed that you have missed out, I can understand. But this is not what had happened. You could have come back to raise the additional citations on 25 March, given your edit history online wikipedia but you chose to sidetrack on other areas. It disappoints me even further, that you have been holding onto 720: 736: 3088:. Do you not understand how time-consuming that is? If I did it in one go, it'd take a couple of hours. If you'd simply done what I'd asked and double-checked yourself (which you don't seem to be willing to do), then I could probably zip through the article and simply pass it. You've made the job far more work than it should be. Another GA I took on at the same time passed days ago because there were hardly any sourcing issues. 382: 752: 459: 438: 785: 469: 233: 406: 296: 1979:"Over at the Royal Palace, Sihanouk was told his sons had patched up, and he pardoned his capricious child in 1998. It was a happy reunion, but would Chakrapong's sensible phase last? With the same stroke of the pen, Sihanouk pardoned his half-brother Sirivudh, in exile on charges of allegedly plotting to murder Hun Sen. The royal decree paved the way for both princes to return home after strongman 264: 704: 1171:." If I am not mistaken, guidelines advised us that redlinking once would be more than enough. As for Sisowath Pongsanmoni, I have little information about her beyond that she is one of many Sihanouk's wives. Unless an article is created, I do not see the point of doing so, and my take is that I would not create a stub page to simply state that she is Sihanouk's wife....that may not conform to 2830:- some of them have limited previews, or if you want I can provide a phrase. I also admit I might have made some genuine mistakes - it was indeed a learning journey as I wrote this article - I often had to read an average of 3, 4 articles to fully understand one point before penning it down. And that's where interpretation lapses may come up, especially in aspects of governance. 3352: 980: 358: 642: 1539: 606: 1534: 1524: 1445:"There are reasons Chakrapong is not qualified for the post,” Nhiek Bun Chhay said. “Firstly, in 1992, he led Sihanoukists to join the Cambodian People’s Party. Secondly, he led a secessionist movement to oppose the Funcinpec victory in the 1993 election. And thirdly, he set up his own party, , insulting and attacking Funcinpec." 1904:

were no additional available references that I could find on this act by Chakrapong, it would be very hard to elaborate or explain since there is a missing gap in follow-up events. Hence, I felt it would be better to remove and replace it with another point that is more straightforward and less subjective to interpretation .....

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Party (CPP) in early 1992. The sudden flight of the former Royal Cambodian Air Force fighter pilot Chakrapong to the rival camp was, ....", but I do not see as many details that this source can offer as compared to the interview. I felt that the interview was a good read and offered good insights as I was writing this article.

2826:. But if you feel that a certain point still needs to be cited, by all means sound the bell and I will be glad to input it or remove it if otherwise. If I see any issues I will edit them but I definitely can't spot every other mistake or lapse. If you want to check the source of the books, I would suggest either you go to 306: 2274:. If that's the case, then technically the entire article will need a citation for every phrase or half a sentence. I agree that in some cases, multiple citations in one sentence maybe needed especially if the facts are taken from two or more different sources but this is simply not the case. This doesn't sound right. 1739:

lost or possibly misconstrued. Anyway, this interview only cited two points in the whole article, and as a whole my take is that using a mixture of sources from books written by biographers and political scientists, newspaper reports and interviews is the way to write something that is "balanced" in content as a whole.

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think that's very professional. I see your contribution history that you are able to visit wikipedia on a daily basis from at least March 17, work on other fields, and not raising any issues on 18, 19, 21, 22 March - you were able to come back and make edits on other areas but there was no activity in this GAN.

1801:. I agree that what I input was a degree of editorial interpretation, and thought it would be useful to provide some joining content. If you have any alternative, more relevant interpretations, I would be glad to accept the new suggestion, but if you cannot agree then you may just remove it altogether. 2851:

If you feel that let's say for example, for Norodom Ranariddh's GAN you can't commit for an extended period of time due to real life issues, I would suggest you withdraw yourself as a reviewer and let other fellow colleagues do it. But you have put up your name in the Review Page, and definitely when

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I had done copyediting after submitting for GAN. I have to apologise - no humans are born perfect and we invariably miss the mark sometimes. Perhaps, you might have a very strict interpretation of the policies and guidelines - well, if you have a point to make I will address it somehow since I am the

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to say that all points stated need to be cited and back up. But as you can see, different sources will provide different depths of content coverage. For less important content pertaining to the topic, sometimes editors may summarise the point, and in doing so, details get lost and kinds of relegated

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Assume that you get all 4 sources from one source. Don't you tell me that you are going to insert every sentence with the same identical footnote?? My understanding is that just one citation at the end of the paragraph will do, provided that all 4 sentences are obtained from the same footnote unless

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No, I reverse my stance on this. I believe that unless there is a break in the sentence (Eg: Sentence 1 quotes from Source A, Sentence 2 from Source B and Sentence 3 from Source A, all 3 should have a footnote because of a break in Sentence 2. If all 3 sentences comes from Source A then one footnote

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I basically replaced it with another point/fact, if you look at the last sentence of the para. I don't see any additional sources that followed up on Chakrapong's call to lower the Angkor Wat fees - whether this act was actually implemented after the cabinet meeting as stated in the source. As there

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Granted, I admit it is a little difficult to elaborate since this is the only source available on Chakrapong's involvement with the Angkor Wat administration, and have since replaced it with another point. But my take is that it would be very sad if nothing is elaborated on Chakrapong's achievements

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I felt it should be placed in the Business career section for purely technical reasons. As you can see, the infobox is very long, and given that the Family section is right next to the reference section, it will trail into the Reference section. I do not want the infobox to create a white dead space

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I'm not saying that raising new points from your side is wrong. I appreciate the attention that you give, but I find it hard to accept to be told (or implied) that there are only one set of issues at the beginning and then coming to say that there is an additional chunk yet to be addressed, I don't

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Why don't you think so? :) My take is that an interview source from the subject himself is definitely beneficial, as the subject knows his life history best. I do not condemn second-hand sources written by other biographers, but sometimes when they summarise life events or rephrase, details can get

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PS - I have re-allocated Chakrapong's article to the "Politics and government" subsection. On afterthought, I feel it would be more appropriate to do so, since Chakrapong's "prince" title is purely hereditary, while his political career was the result of his own efforts and merit. To take note was

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but there was no progress. If you are away from Knowledge like I sometimes do, I can emphatise and forgive. I do not ask you to commit anymore real-life time to wikipedia than you can deliver. But you sidetracked your efforts to other topics in Knowledge, within whatever time that you dedicated to

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time-consuming. I just haven't had the time to sit down and do it in one go—it's incremental or nothing. It would be a lot easier and faster if you had taken my earlier advice, after I had worked through the first column: that you go through the sources yourself and make sure they're saying what

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I've checked the first column of citations in the first column (the ones I could access, anyways). I don't see any plagiarism or close paraphrasing issues, but the sources don't always support the details in the text. I think it would be a good idea to go through your sources again—it may be the

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You misconstrued my comments too far. I made a suggestion, and there is no compulsion for you to follow through so strictly. What I see is that you are able to log onto Knowledge everyday, but you cannot dedicate a portion of the time everyday on an incremental basis to improvements? To be honest

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There is a 4th book (Benny Widyono-Dancing In Shadows) that actually states this point, but it would be a "waste" to cite that just one point. Anyway, I made a slight modification to comply with existing sources. "Mehta (2013) , p. 244": "A truckload of rebels was seen moving into Phnom Penh, but

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In the article, Chakrapong never quoted the prospect of a coup per se but the following phrase does provide a strong hint: "The concept of sharing power with enemies is alien to the former communists in the CPP leadership and to modern Cambodian political culture. Asian diplomats said Chakrapong,

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The sourcing is inadequate, especially for a BLP, as I've already stated. It's your job now to fix the issues---which includes proactively working through all the sources to ensure text-source integrity---and then you're free to renominate. You should also be careful about accusing people of bad

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Sorry, but you have to understand—I feel that I've had to go through every source quite thoroughly as I keep finding sourcing issues. This is quite time-consuming and wearying. The other edits I've made have been between other tasks like washing the dishes and bathing the kids—when I have five

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But if you strongly feel that the interview should not be used, I can offer a close alternative citation in the form of "Mehta (2001), p. 149", phrase: "Following irreconcilable differences with Ranariddh, Chakrapong defected from his father's Funcinpec party to join Hun Sen's Cambodian People's

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In October 1991, Chakrapong held secret talks with the Khmer Rouge commander, Ta Mok, to explore the possibility of joining the Khmer Rouge. Ta Mok rejected his request, and Chakrapong approached Hun Sen on the possibility of joining the CPP. Hun Sen accepted Chakrapong, and the following month

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but I still see Ranariddh's GAN empty. I hope you can start providing inputs on issues that needs to be addressed, raise points over consecutive days if one day is simply not enough. I have seen your good work and believe that you can do more to help. You seem to be very attentive on a periodic

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Please, I urge you to go through all the sources in one go, or incrementally within consecutive days if one day is not enough. I believe that going through about 25-30 citations in the article is not too great a challenge, but when I cross-examined this talk page history and your contributions

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other GA reviewers look through it they would have the impression that it is under review but the point is nothing has been done as yet. The problem that I see now is that you feel there is a lot of work to be done but you can't meet the time. I don't think that is very right because you have

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OK, made a little shift in ref#25 forward, since ref#25 stated Ranariddh's plans for Chakrapong's appointment and ref#26 shows that Chakrapong had been actually appointed Senate vice (or deputy) president, with the following phrase: "Prince Chakrapong, who was also named Senate first deputy

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I'm looking for the best picture or any informations about the KAF's U-6 (Beaver). It seem that the KAF had 3 aircrafts. But in 1971, during the viet cong's sapper attack at the Pochentong Air Base,at least 1 Beaver was destroyed.In 1972 at leat 1 Beaver was refurbished with a new engine.

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as your number one priority. Say for example, there are 100 sources that you want to check or something like that, and you can finish 20 or so per day. Do 20 source check on Day 1, next 20 on Day 2 and the third 20 on Day 3. The number is just an example. Can that be done? Let me know....

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Any suggestion to improve? I can understand, because throughout his career he switched his political allegiance many times. Hence, it is to my understanding that Knowledge provides for editors to create infoboxes, which I have used for this article to allay such concerns. Anyway for your

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I'd hardly call the walls of text you've thrown at me "civil"—nor is asking for another reviewer after you've worn the current one out. If you're unsatisfied with the amount of time this review is taking you should consider double-checking your sources before submitting.

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Ref#35: "as foreign tourists opted for land transport options to provincial capitals which were cheaper than air transport" isn't supported by the source—the source speculates: "perhaps due to easier overland travel". I'd just cut this, as it's not really important

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Having said that, this all raises issues about the sourcing that I can't access: how much confidence can I have that what you've sourced to Mehta and Narong are faithful to the sources? After I asked you to check the sources, you made no changes that suggested you

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Can I ask what are your expectations of this article? Furthermore, I have been actively engaging in making corrections to the feedback that you have made. Whatever points that you have raised in the past I have addressed all, and you seem to be satisfied with

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sign to all the page numbers? Wouldn't a basic spacing such as eg: "p. 7" or "pp. 21-22" would be sufficient without all the HTML? I do not see any technical differences without the HTML, and might make editing for other editors not too convenient......

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Reduced a little, but if I use too many pronouns at the wrong place, "he" can potentially be confused with other characters in the area, such as Ta Mok or Hun Sen...please feel free to make any additional amendments if you think its necessary for this.

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I tried to cross check other resources, but there is no elaboration on what kind of enterprise that he was dealing with. If there is more source information I will be glad to input, but the furthest that we can infer that he is probably an owner of a

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Source maybe accessed via Google translate for non-Khmer speakers. Not 100% accurate, but about 75-80% accurate as it is automatic. As it is a very useful resource, I am pasting it here in the event that this source is no longer available online.

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on Knowledge, aiming to provide a wider and more detailed coverage on countries and areas of the encyclopedia which are notably less developed than the rest. If you would like to help improve this and other Cambodia-related articles, please

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Ref#28: It says Ranariddh was accused of "attempting to create a rift inside the floundering royalist party", and it says he was accused of trying to form a new party, but it doesn't say the new party was "royalist" (or am I missing

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history (sorry for privacy intrusion), you did not come back to work on this GAN or Ranariddh's GAN in spite that you were able to commit to Knowledge on a daily basis since 17 March at least. You left the comment on 17 March that "

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Well, the subject himself is likely to be biased in his own favour—you've used the interview only for strict facts, which is okay, but a third-party source gives reviewers more confidence. The interview's fine as you've used it.

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I keeps the "p." and the number together—it prevents them from pbreaking apart if they happen to come at the end of a line. If you don't like it, feel free to revert it—I don't believe there's a guideline that mandates them.

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You're right, the guidleines say to link once (and I missed that it was in the lead). The lead is a summary of the body, though, and so normally we also link (or redlink) again at the first instance in the body, too.

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wikipedia, and that upsets me as you found issues here but never provide sufficient attention. And coming back to Chakrapong, you have reached point #Ref 35 and if you would like to, you can go through the rest.

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checked, I have no confidence that the paper sources were used any more scrupulously. BLPs are held to a higher standard of sourcing than other kinds of articles—even when not GAs—for reasons stated at WP:BLP.

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changes have been made except at my direct prompting, and no changes have been made with regards to sources I have been unable to access. Given that there have been issues with over half of the sources I

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participating in a review, or even making any edits is a matter of heart and passion and not a "chore". Indeed, if you feel that it is a chore you should really excuse yourself from the review altogether.

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result of moving text around (away from its original inline cites) or something like that. I'll give you some time to fix these issues. When you're done, ping me and I'll come back to finish the review.

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Look, which are the paper sources that you want to check? I have stated that I am willing to provide the phrases upon request. Furthermore, the three books stated are viewable via Google Books as I have

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that he had briefly served as a Deputy Prime Minister as well. I had placed in the royalty section with the hope of getting a reviewer's attention, since the Politics section had a longer queue list :)

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checked the sources—then when I started on the second column, I found issue after issue. My confidence in the quality of sourcing is low enough that I've been considering failing the article over it.

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basis, but not at other periods. I urge you to commit your time and effort fully to address all necessary issues in one go, rather than make promises but not taking sufficient action to address them.

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main writer of this article. For example, on the point that Ranariddh sought exile in Malaysia in March 2007, perhaps I have missed the mark in citation as I thought that this fact was stated in the

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citation. Doubling citations is fine (using the same citation twice, or having two or more citations for a piece of text). You don't have to rewrite the text to acommodate the citations.

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they were quickly disarmed before they could put their plan into action. Within minutes it was all over. It was believed that Chakrapong had launched the coup plot after the CPP...."

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Appreciated with thanks and hope that the issues are sufficiently addressed or rectified. Please do not hesitate to revert back to me if there are additional outstanding issues.

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But I do not think it would be appropriate to go into detail in the context of this article, otherwise it would amount to overelaboration. Anyway, I have re-phrased a little...

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as a privy councilor to the Supreme Privy Council → Is there any need to include 'privy' before councillor, as it reads again a bit repetitive using privy twice close together.

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Please, I urge you to cool down and let's finish this review at the very least. I can't stop you from a quick fail if you insist, but I don't think this is quite in line with

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You need to examine Ref #25 and Ref #26 together to get the picture. #25 stated the planned appointment, and in #26, it was stated that Chakrapong was appointed to the post.

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at the end of Sentence 3 would be sufficient. Provided that all 3 sentences are in one paragraph You maybe right to some extent here but it appears that this is making a

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Holy Christ—look, I'm simply not going to waste my time reading through another wall of text like this. If you have a point to make, find a better way to make it.

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For the next nomination, I suggest the nominator go through the sources again—including the offline ones—and demonstrate that every effort has been made to ensure

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Well, this is the thing—we're not suppose to "interpret" the sources. I think it would be best to remove it, or to report strictly what the sources have said.

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Councilor seats, its just like in a national parliament, there will be a certain given number of given of seats. If I understand correctly for example, the

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Ref#4: You seem to have used the source appropriately, but an interview is not the best of sources—are there any other sources that give this information?

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There's only a couple more sources to review if you feel you can commit to it. Anyway, I am double checking on my side as well as you have requested.

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it's not okay to have a sentence end with a citation, then begin another sentence, and have a citation for the next sentence where information in the

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level.

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Let us work in the best reference and presentation of archaeological sites of Cambodia beyond Angkor like Sambor Prei Kuk, Angkor Borei (Takeo), etc.

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Ref#34: The dates (August 2001 and June 2002) don't appear in the source. Also, I see nothing about "Chakrapong was accused of political bias"

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Apologies, I made a slight editorial mistake, amended. Anyway for your benefit, this is the full quote from the source "Mehta (2001), p. 161":

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I'm a bit confused by the lead. It sounds as though, during his time a politician, that he has supported both communist and royalist parties?

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In May 2005, a new position of Inspector General was introduced to the party's executive committee, and Chakrapong was appointed to the post.

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see it right away, then I have to spend time combing through the source to find what's supposed to be there—and surprisingly often it's

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I know they're not required, but I'm surprised that there aren't any—sorry, I wasn't implying that the article would fail without them.

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Done. Basically Chakrapong dissolved his splinter party, known as the "Khmer Soul Party", and returned to join FUNCINPEC in March 2004.

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I've done some copyedits. Feel free to revert anything you disagree with, and feel free to disagree with any feedback I have below:

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that supports your argument, with the exact section to specify that. Otherwise I urge you to revert the double citation in #Ref26.

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1991-1994: Cambodia's People's Party (former Communist) - he was automatically expelled from the party when he was sent into exile

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member", and there was very little or no notable event/achievement from Chakrapong during this second period he was in the party

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Yes, but would it sound a little awkward given this way: "Thayer had initially attempted to contact United States Ambassador

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Let just do things this way....finish whatever other Knowledge editing projects you have, and after that, make this GAN and

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during a visit to Beijing in May, responded to a diplomat who asked him what the CPP reaction to losing the elections as: "

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Sorry that I've been taking my time. I'm going to go through the other column of references, probably sometime today.

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job so much more work, as I have to stop with virtually every source to note where the text and source don't match up.

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long-tern refuge in France where he → Why do you link France here but not first mentioned in the first paragraph?

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Whoops! How did I do that? Sorry, give me until tomorrow and I'll sort this out—maybe I'll end up doing both.

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Please do not hesitate to revert to me if you feel that there are outstanding issues to be addressed. Thanks!

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I'm honestly considering simply failing it. The sourcing issues are far beyond what I would have expected.

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The source from "Narong (2005), p. 208" on this period of Chakrapong's life that I referenced merely stated:

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Oh—the article has no images. Is there nothing appropriate? Even a photo of the building he was born in?

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Okay, yeah I saw that on the nominations page. I've changed 'stint' to 'run'. Well done, passing. —

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It appears you've taken out mention of Angkor Watt, and have removed the source that was there ... ?

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1999-2001: FUNCINPEC--but I don't see the point of including this in lead as he returned only as a "

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If the info's in ref#26, then you'll have to repeat that ref for the statement it's referencing.

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Please, that's not very polite of you. I am trying to reason out things with you but that's not

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won an election but was denied power and subsequently the military took power. You may refer to

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Fixed. Anymore outstanding arrears? I believe it should be ready to be passed if otherwise...

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Ref#31: I don't see where teh source says "Ranariddh sought exile in Malaysia in March 2007"

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He is the fourth son of Norodom Sihanouk → Mention that he is a former King/Head of State

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I have redlinked Sihanouk in the lead sentence already: "He is the fourth son of

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minutes to sit down, it's relatively easy to sit down and copyedit a section of

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I urge that you withdraw the "Fail" declaration. You are obviously starting to

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at the top of his cadet class. → Remove cadet, there's too much repetition.

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Then this is a non-issue already. I"ll remove the double citation in #26.

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due to the trail. Perhaps I might want to illustrate this via screenshots:

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You use 'appointed' so many times in the First stint in Funcinpec section

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http://www.khmerairforce.com/AAK-KAF/AVNK-AAK-KAF/Cambodia-Beaver-KAF.JPG

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and generally try to link up social conscience with right-wing values.

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for several state functions → at several state functions (you perform

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You've completely misunderstood what I wrote. Please read it again.

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Still, to avoid cluttering overcitations I took it in the spirit of

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Thayer had initially attempted to contact United States Ambassador

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and not being rational. I will get a second opinion if otherwise.

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the text is saying. You clearly haven't done that, which makes

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Okay, I've moved this review here. Sorry about the confusion!

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Chakrapong was born at the → Use his full name the first time.

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understanding, Chakrapong's political career goes as follows:

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That's unfortuante, but I suppose there's nothing you can do.

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from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially

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citation. This is not citation overkill—it's a requirement.

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as DPM since this is a high office position of the country.

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Ok, agree to you to some extent and edited out the part.

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please highlight to me the wikipedia policy or guideline

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president. Also, the article mentions he was sued for

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