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I don't have access to this. These are not (I believe) battle honours but theatre honours - there is a distinction. And, while I cannot confirm this beyond the link provided, the two noted there would be quite separate honours (as is likely the third) - ie, an entitled unit would show each separately
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I don't think we should be hasty here. The AfD is still ongoing, and a wider ranging discussion is developing at the WikiProject which may have some bearing on what should be done. It will take some time to knock the 44-45 list into shape. Merging in other stuff at the same time could get messy.
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We think that some provision must be made for troops taking part in the campaign who were not present at any of the battles, actions or engagements named in the list. Accordingly, for battle honour purposes we have shown the title of the campaign or theatre which be claimed as a "battle honour".
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Copyright on this document has expired so I'm hassling google to make it available online in the UK at least. Previous requests I've made to google to make books available in full view have mostly been successful, so I'm hopeful.
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Just to note that shortly after this discussion I tried to get hold of this report in three different libraries whose online index said they held it. It was missing in all three so seems to be a popular item to steal. I gave up at that point, but perhaps
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