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Sorry, I'm unclear what you mean by that. The articles and their sources are not sufficient for me to see the point. The present article says "The battle honour North-West Europe is suffixed with the year, or years, in which the the awarded unit took part in the action." Are the '40 and '42 ones
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Obviously battle honors exist. But not by the title given here and most others that I tried to look up; even the ones that cited a source didn't have good enough sourcing to find if these things have actual names. I think the name of this article would be better used for an article on the campaign
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in some cases. I say either delete them all, or convert some to articles on the events described rather than on the battle honours, when sources can be found. This one can be a first test case, in case someone has alternative good ideas what to do.
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What do mean by "what it consists of"? Is there anything like that in the article? Also it's unclear why one would tag an article to not be expanded, or left alone; never heard of such a concept.
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Or if you want to keep all these battle honor stubs, then maybe find better names for them. For this one, for instance, at least take out the word "campaign" which doesn't appear in sources.
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