Talk:News aggregator - Knowledge (XXG)

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TV set makes all - the faces of the news anchors, the voices. This person ignores that it is necessary for a TV studio to exist somewhere, and also a way of delivering the signal to the TV set, be it broadcast or cable network. This persons thinks that the TV set is all that there is to it. This article makes the very same mistake as the ignorant person. It identifies news readers with news aggregators. It goes so far to define news aggregator as "client software". Well, let me put this clear from somebody who knows how both TV news and Internet news work: client software cannot exist without server software. There are always two sides on the client/server architecture. The news aggregator is in the server side, it is the service providing a selection of news regardless of doing it through a HTML document, a RSS feed or an Atom feed. The news reader is in the client side, is the sofware used to display the news. They are completely different parts of the same process. This article continues to confuse them in an ignorant way in spite of some of us warning against it.~Ignacio.Agulló

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microsoft news (comes stock on windows 10), most smartphones seem to come with pre-installed news apps, etc. and now News Corp is talking about making one with the intention of having a different slant.) How many users do aggregators have in comparison with major news portals (apnews.com, cnn.com, foxnews.com, etc.. whose editorial practices, biases, and alliances may be more well understood... more curated by humans and less algorithmic in how they change.) There needs to be more information on how the major aggregators work in terms of how sources are chosen to be included, or choose to be excluded, how "balance" is contrived, what are the various motivations for being included or excluded, examples of specific decisions of sources that were e.g. excluded for being too biased, erroneous, irresponsible, etc. or being included due to being a "partner" of the aggregator in some way.

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been increasingly locked out of Google's top sources of late. I've seen it several times and it happened just tonight with the Washington Post - you need to provide an email address to read an article that is top listing in Google News if you are not signed in. This is directly opposed to the "type" referred to in the first sentence.

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So, my suggestion is to disambiguate this into one page titled "News aggregator" and another one called "Feed aggregator" with the former having an "About" tag (like the one right now directing to "review aggregator"). All the emboldened alternate terms to "feed aggregator" would redirect to the same

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I find it problematic that one does not start with a more broad definition. Here one starts the entire entry on Aggregator with what it is in computing. I believe there are disambiguation to the concept, but am a bit unsure of when and how to develop such. For instant there is the five aggregators or

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I think this section is trying to make the distinction between conventional web sites that use RSS feeds on the back-end and consumers access in a web browser, vs. RSS feeds that consumers access using a standalone feed reading application that they are running on their desktop. Apparently AJAX-based

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I've been running all over the web looking for RSS creation/aggregator tools over the past few weeks and I've just about driven myself crazy. Making RSS feeds doesn't seem to be the challenge--you simply write up an XML file in a particular format, of which there are thousands of samples available on

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Not all aggregators allow users to subscribe directly to content feeds, as many aggregators are deployed for syndication between sites, without the user necessarily knowing it. Many sites feature links to headlines etc as part of their layout, this is still syndicated content, but the site designers

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Hi, it's me again half a year later. I'm still right, and the article is still wrong. Wrongly named. Let's put this simple. A person watches the TV news for the first time. This person, which we'll call ignorant not for being unintelligent but because he/she ignores the way TV works, thinks the

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My apologies for stumbling in -- I have made some style edits to the "Online Version" paragraph to fix grammatical problems. I did try to comment on my changes for the history page, but am not sure how to do that (I did save my comments, but they do not appear on the History page.) I will research

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I suppose caching in a database is the best way, but the best solution for programming newbies who don't have a year or even a month to learn PHP is just a simple step-by-step solution that allows us to get a feed displayed, then shows how to control the various options. I welcome commentary. Thanks

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1. How to call (or include) the XML feed 2. Code on how to parse the XML file, where this code is supposed to be put, and can it be kept in a separate file 3. Show us the basic code for options we have to do the following things: headlines only, headlines with description, background/text/link color

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There is a sentence in the "types" header that says "For instance, Google News belongs to the first group since news are gathered and published independently from customers' needs while . . . " I'm not sure how accurate this information is. Users of Google News who do not sign in to an account have

2050:"Feed aggregator" should not redirect to "News aggregator" since "web feeds" are also used by aggregators of videos, reviews, polls, etc. I suggest it redirect to "Web feed", which mentions aggregators in its introduction as "that which is used to make a collection of feeds available in one spot". 1863:

Feed aggregator is by far the most know type of aggregator, so much that the article itself mentions it's sometimes simply called "aggregator". Not to mention "news aggregator website" is a confusing term, as feed readers can (but shouldn't) be thought of as "news aggregator" sofware, which is, in

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The article is obviously wrong and must be redone from the start. It confuses two different things: the news reader software which is an application type that allows to read news from one or more news feeds, and the services that provide such news, often through a community of users. Telling the

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I added a link to my own RSS reader. While I know adding links to your own site is generally frowned upon, it seemed like this is a useful service not readily available. The page is free, non-commercial and does not host advertising. I placed the link here on the advice of the talk page for RSS.

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I wouldn't support this move. Google shows that 'Aggregator' is a far, far more popular term than either 'Feed aggregator' or 'News aggregator'. I question whether 'Search aggregator' even deserves an article; it is already tagged for notability. In my opinion, it's better to keep things as they

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For being Really Simple Syndication, RSS sure seems pretty complicated. There are sites that exist for getting RSS feeds to display on your website, but they are either buggy, or require knowledge of databases, neither of which I'm able to do. Can anybody out there do a step-by-step write-up with

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The first paragaph says An aggregator is a 'type of software'. I don't particularly like this phrasing. I'd suggest changing it to An aggregator is a 'software application'... I realise that a software application tends to indicate a desktop app, but I feel the distinction should be made later

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unverifiable set of opinions that someone disputes. While you're asserting that the title is incorrect, the flipside is viewing it as the article being incorrect – some of the information may be factual, but is about topics other than what this article's topic, which is indicated by its title.

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You can delete uncited or incorrect information from the article, which may include all or most of article, or add/replace content with correct material that provides citations. If you can't find good citations, I wouldn't bother adding/replacing material, because it's just going to be another

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Agreed. This article is surprisingly weak and very out of date (!) relative to the importance that the most widely used aggregators likely have on public opinion and access to information & misinformation. We need estimates of how many users the leading aggregators have (e.g. google news,

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The problem is how to display RSS feeds on your website, particularly PHP which seems to be the most common way. This issue is not addressed enough on the web and seems to be a gaping hole. For programmers who know PHP, probably no, but what about the rest of us who can barely get by in HTML?

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There's no mention of the handful of browsers that have a built-in RSS reader, thereby giving the impression to the reader of this article that they must always obtain a 3rd party RSS reader if they wish to read RSS feeds, which isn't necessarily true. ie: Firefox, the Classic browser.

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So, to make a long story not quite so long, I've decided not to attempt to add a link to my list again. If the editors at Knowledge (XXG) agree that my link is up to editorial standards then please add it to the list. If not then please accept my thanks for considering my proposal.

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I've continually added to my list for over 1 year because I really want it to be a valuable reference tool to bloggers who are looking to add their blogs to local aggregators. It's my belief that citizen run aggregators are the most effective tool citizens' media has in its box.

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I guess I could put it back up but rather than going back and forth and risking getting my IP address banned from Knowledge (XXG).org I thought it might be best if I get one of the editors at Knowledge (XXG) to decide if the link is the sort of thing Wiki should be linking to.

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While far from complete my list is the most extensive list of local blog aggregators in the world-- bar none. I admit it includes only English Language aggregators but then I wouldn't know an aggregator in any other language if it bit my leg off and slapped me with its tail.

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Absolutely, this page should cover all types of aggregators, not just feed aggregators. Alternatively, as seems to be the style for some other pages, use Aggregator_(feed), or something of the like, and a link to it could be on the Aggregator disambiguation page.

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respective page (except for "news reader", which is already a disambiguation page). This page, in turn, would be a disambiguation listing "feed aggregator", "news aggregator" and "review aggregator". I may do it myself in the near future, but don't wait for me.

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I would also argue that there is another classification of aggregator, allowing people to use their email as a 'feed reader', the aggregation here tends to occur in the 3rd party system, which manages the subscriptions and bridging to other protocols/formats.

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which does all the hard work of parsing the XML info, and delivers it in a form that can easily be placed in any html format you wish. However, you still need to know some basic php in order to generate the final page. If you'd like to see the code for the

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The different aggregator classifications should be flushed out with their particular benefits. e.g. web based - centralised, accessible from anywhere. desktop - greater protocol support e.g. support for https and private feeds, richer client interface.

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is listed as a Media Aggregator. I don't see any mention of this ability in the MediaMonkey article. Does it have some feature that would qualify it as an aggregator? Some googling indicates that it doesn't, but the results were inconclusive.

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I am looking for a program or web service which searches through the original site of an RSS feed for keywords and phrases. With this discovery requirements should be given feedback. NewsReader not do this, but always just browse the feed.

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Hi, I was wondering if we should add in a note about AOL's RSS Reader. I currently work for them, so I want to wait for community approval before adding it. I'm aware of Knowledge (XXG)'s COI clause so I don't want to cause any problems.

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I'm just going to express my belief that the update tag must be kept up because there have been several new aggregators on the market since the tag was updated, and they probably deserve some mention on the page

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Go ahead and make these changes, but I think the cleanup tag is overkill. The article has shortcomings, but not the awful dealbreakers that one normally assoiciates with the cleanup tag. I'm going to remove it.

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The basic idea of restructuring information about websites goes back to as early as 1995, when Ramanathan V. Guha and others in Apple Computer's Advanced Technology Group developed Meta Content Framework

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In July 1999, Dan Libby of Netscape produced a new version, RSS 0.91, which simplified the format by removing RDF elements and incorporating elements from Dave Winer's scripting News syndication format.

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Having just seen this article (currently named "News aggregator", btw) for the first time, I think it's very odd that the Drudge Report and RSS readers are being handled in the same article.

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In 2003, Google developed a new aggregator supporting Atom, which is a new technology developed by IBM software engineer Sam Ruby. One successful example of is Google Reader.

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I agree the start is messy. The first paragraph starts with what aggregators do but then there is a section on what aggregators do which in fact is about why they do it. --

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is an aggregator because it groups together news feeds, but it is not a feed reader because the site cannot be used to view a specific feed. I think a split is in order.--

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I think we need a disambiguation page. I came to this article looking for information on a network capacity aggregator. There are many different types of aggregators.

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feeds and optionally sorts/filters them. A feed reader, on the other hand, is used primarily to view feeds. Those are two very different operations. As an example, the

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redirect here? I know that the terms 'aggregator' and 'feed reader' are not yet well defined, but as far as I know they are not the same thing. A web feed aggregator

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have decided on what to syndicate. This is mentioned at the end of the article as "OEM/Meta news feeds". I think that "OEM/Meta news aggregation would be better".

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Perhaps there should be two pages for "news aggregator" and "feed aggregator", but lets leave that for another day since it would involve major article rewriting.

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There should also be some discussion (perhaps in the "Meta News aggregation" section about how multiple levels of syndication/filtering and republishing can occur.

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I have been cleaning up the article, but before I continue, I think we have to discuss certain changes that I think need to be made. Most importantly, why does

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I would support this move. Social/Search/RSS aggregators are just a subset of what aggregators are, regardless of what is popular on Google.

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We need here list of aggregators and comparison between them There is no reason to have link to threz.com and not to have bloglines.com etc.

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This move seems to be uncontested and can be closed. But an admin needs to do the job as it involves a deletion. Can someone help out?

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Some thoughts: The 4 external links that remain are commercial in nature just as I am attempting to earn revenue from my website/blog.

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should be mentioned file formats which are commonly used for exporting/importing subscription lists between aggregators.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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the first version of RSS, was created by Dan Libby and Ramanathan V. Guha at Netscape. It was released in March 1999

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Firefox extension is a feed reader but not an aggregator because it is used only to view a feed. In the same vein,

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Well we need an admin to do this since "news aggregator" already exists. I've started the formal process below.

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browsing is more like the latter, but is included in the paragraph about the former? I marked it as confusing. --

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This RSS technology is used widely at that time, with supporting of many big companies, such as Yahoo, Useland.

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turn, confused with "news readers" (clients for Usenet newsgroups - far older than web feeds, by the way).

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I would suggest splitting this into two articles, one about the software, and one about the web sites.--

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