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Fun fact about english, and all languages, every single word has an exact unique meaning. A niggardly person isn't just "stingy" in general, but to be very specific to be niggardly means you give the absolute minimum required and not one iota more. As compared to a stingy person who is hesitant to
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Should this be included? At first I thought it was his anachronistic explanation of
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