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better measure, but even then you are comparing a dispatchable source with variable non-dispatchable sources. You would need to take into account the cost of battery storage and grid upgrades, as well as the cost of seasonal variation (e.g. in Germany an average solar plant produces about 5 times more in May-June compared to December-January, thus creating a huge problem for a grid that wants to rely on solar power, either of overproduction in summer or lack of generation in winter). These costs can be orders of magnitude higher than LCOE for solar and wind in grids with high penetration of variable renewable sources. --
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which do not have URLs and which are contemporary journals, which I thought was a little unusual, but the statements those are backing are also backed with other citations. I appreciate the inclusion of the funding investigation, because organizations only become more respectable when they acknowledge all significant press which they receive even if it is not part of a typical organizational image.
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2020 -- a large majority of actual new supply even adjusting for average capacity factors -- what is the justification for omitting wind and solar from this comparison? Omission of the lowest-LCOE low-carbon sources gives the text a promotional appearance, as if comparators were being cherrypicked to make a case for NuScale.
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Under "Comparisons," NuScale's claimed per-kilowatt costs are compared to overnight costs for three other low-carbon sources: conventional nuclear, coal with CO2 sequestration, and natural gas with CO2 sequestration. Given that over 72% of newbuild generation capacity worldwide was wind and solar in
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says "So far, over two dozen members of Utah Associated Municipal Power Systems (UAMPS) have signed on to the Carbon Free Power Project (CFPP). The interlocal agency is developing a site in Idaho owned by the Idaho National Laboratory. The project will use SMR technology being developed and licensed
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says "The NRC agreed and approved NuScale’s walk-away-safe concept earlier this year. That means just what it sounds like - the reactor doesn’t need the complex back-up power systems that traditional reactors require and which traditionally add a lot of cost as well as some uncertainty. No humans or
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Overnight cost of solar or wind is not comparable to that of nuclear or other dispatchable technologies due to the extreme difference in capacity factors. Nuclear has an average capacity factor of over 90% in western countries, while solar and wind are between 10% and 30% on average. LCOE would be a
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says "The design uses natural, “passive” processes such as convection and gravity in its operating systems and safety features, while producing up to approximately 600 megawatts of electricity. The SMR’s 12 modules, each producing 50 megawatts, are all submerged in a safety-related pool built below
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I hope that in time the organization continues to do more public outreach. I became interested in them when their staff organized community meetings which presented general science education, including nuclear power but even more about other power sources. I know that outreach of this sort does not
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I met with NuScale people several years ago and talked with them about contributing to Knowledge, and in particular, I asked them for diagrams of their reactors. I am pleased to see that they applied a free license to one and uploaded it. I checked the references in the articles. There are a couple
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Also, estimated prices at the time of NuScale's claimed market entry (c. 2030), not 2013 or 2022 prices, would be the appropriate basis of comparison, given that renewable costs are expected to decline by ~54% (solar) and ~60% (wind) on this timescale , storage costs by ~50% . These are the costs
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says "If needed, the reactor shuts down and self cools indefinitely without the need for either alternating current or direct current power or additional water. The containment vessel is submerged in a heat sink for core cooling in a below grade reactor pool housed in a Seismic Category 1 reactor
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that contains freely licensed photos, 30+ additional reliable sources, and other improvements. I was hoping a disinterested editor might take the time to take a look at the suggested draft and add it to article-space if they feel it is compliant with our content policies and an improvement to the
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I think the current sentence is good as is: "The reactor is designed to shut down and cool itself indefinitely during most accidents", as it does neither include any "company claims", nor something that mathematically cannot be proven true. Thus, I'll mark this as answered. Best regards,
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says "Instead of the traditional concrete-domed plant, each NuScale module consists of a 76-ft.-tall, 15-ft.-diameter cylindrical reactor and containment vessel sitting in a steel-lined, water-filled pool below-ground. The SMRs automatically shut down and self-cool in the event of power
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Please change "NuScale has been approved to build reactors in Idaho, in 2029 and 2030" to "NuScale’s SMR design has been approved to use as part of the Carbon Free Power Project in Idaho, scheduled to start commercial operations in 2029". Here are some sources for verification:
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here, seeking to update the company's Knowledge article by submitting requests here on the Talk page. I have a paid conflict of interest and will avoid making edits to the page myself. I look forward to working with editors to make improvements and appreciate any assistance.
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I see this article has achieved Good status, but this promotion occurred in 2015. The article is a bit out of date, so I'd like to flag some issues and offer text suggestions and other updates based on reputable sources. To start, I'd like to focus on the
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My goal here is to update the current text. I'd like to think this is a clear improvement but I will let other editors review and update the article on my behalf. Please let me know if I can provide other information or sources at this time. Thanks!
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Because this is a technology in-development, that is not currently mass-produced on a commercial basis, I think we need to be especially careful about future-looking claims. That being said, future-tech is one of the exceptions I listed ages ago at
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Finally, LCOE, not overnight cost, is the most appropriate (and widely used in energy literature) standard of comparison. Overnight cost omits financing, fuel, O&M, etc. and is not even "an actual estimate of construction cost" .
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This is interesting. However, your proposed language sounds a bit like an editorial (though frankly the original is slightly worse, "the company...can shut down"?). How about "Reactors shut down and self-cool during power outages."?
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Related to this, please remove the outdated sentence "Its headquarters are in Tigard and its production facility is located in Corvallis" in the Operations section. This is no longer accurate and the company is headquartered in
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If comparison is being restricted to _dispatchable_ low-carbon power sources, this should be stated and justified, and at least hydro and solar/wind firmed by gas and/or storage should be included as additional comparators.
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says "The first NuScale project to use Reuter-Stokes detectors will be the Carbon Free Power Project (CFPP) in Idaho Falls, USA, with the first NuScale VOYGR SMR power plant, scheduled to begin generating power in
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says "The Carbon Free Power Project at the Department of Energy’s Idaho National Laboratory has been in development since 2015 and is scheduled to begin generating power with NuScale VOYGR modules in 2029."
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Ita140188 is completely correct, and that's why we shouldn't be using ANY cost comparisons in this article where the sources don't do the comparison to NuScale themselves. Your cost comparisons are all
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I heard about Nuscale and came to Knowledge to learn more about them. One of my favorite sections of Knowledge articles is Controversy/Criticisms. I was a little surprised to learn that there was a
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I'm not sure of the best way to handle the diagram image; we could either make it large enough so the text is legible, ask NuScale to rework the image with larger text, or crop out the text.
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I was startled to see all these lua errors; they were there before I came upon the article. My reference works, so I am asking the previous editors to address the lua errors, please. --
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building as defined by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). In essence, the unit continues to cool until the decay heat dissipates at which point the reactor is air cooled"
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Please change "The design was approved for certification in July 2022" to "In 2022, the design became the first approved for certification by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission." (
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Thanks for making these corrections. I'm submitting another request below, if you're willing to review another suggestion for making the article more accurate. Thanks again!
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Please consider adding the text "The design uses 'passive' processes of convection and gravity to ensure safe shut downs and remain secure during emergencies" (
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Thanks again for making these updates to the article on my behalf. I'm submitting another request below, if you're willing to review another suggestion.
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I think #2 is giving undue weight. It's not like others are building the reactors with NuScale's design. Plus the current sentence is less awkward.
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Thanks for reviewing this request and making updates. The NRC certified this and I'm happy to provide some additional sources for verification:
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scale and am pleased that they made some effort to promote the development of some content on Knowledge. I would love to see them do more.
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Thank you for declaring your COI. It looks alright to me. The only thing I would suggest is to inform the article's original author,
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against Nuscale that wasn't in the article, it seems material to me. Would mention of this lawsuit be appropriate for this article?
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Passive safety features ensure reactors will shut down and continue cooling indefinitely in the unlikely event of a severe accident.
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In January 2018, the NRC agreed that the passive safety features allow NuScale's SMR design to operate safely without back-up power.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikescott/2020/04/30/solar-and-wind-costs-continue-to-fall-as-power-becomes-cleaner/?sh=a7d4ce2785f9
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Same as before, my goal here is to make the page's text more accurate and I'm happy to provide more information as needed. Can
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Again my goal here is to make the article's text more accurate and I'm happy to provide more information if required. Can
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https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen/
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require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see
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I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page.
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Continuing my series of suggestions for improving this Knowledge article, I'd now like to focus on the
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computers are needed to intervene, no AC or DC power, no pumps, and no additional water for cooling"
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The company claims it can shut down and continue cooling itself indefinitely during most accidents.
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Continuing my series of requests, I'd like to offer some suggestions for improving the Infobox.
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Continuing my series of requests for improving this article, I'd like to shift focus to the
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The provided citations are not so unequivocal. Can you provide a citation that supports
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I'd like to submit a request with some suggested improvements for the introduction.
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In January 2018, the NRC agreed that the NuScale SMR does not need back-up power.
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or other editors please review this request and update the text for me? Thanks!
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https://www.irena.org/publications/2021/March/Renewable-Capacity-Statistics-2021
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Please change 60 megawatts of electricity to 77 megawatts of electricity per
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I have a financial connection with NuScale. I've prepared a draft article at
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then you may need to upload it to Knowledge (Commons does not allow fair use)
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to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
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is a redlink, considering how much press the SEC investigation recieved. --
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In the image caption, please change "Tigard, Oregon" to "Portland, Oregon"
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Please change the headquarters location from Tigard to Portland per
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Please change the headquarters location from Tigard to Portland (
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or other editors please review this request, too? Thanks again!
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by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.
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and other editors who can correct the article on my behalf!
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The modules would be pre-fabricated, delivered by railcar...
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or other editors please review this request? Thanks again!
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Is the class action lawsuit appropriate for this article?
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Why should "fed from a large water reservoir" be removed?
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Please remove the text "fed from a large water reservoir"
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The modules would be pre-fabricated, delivered by rail...
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Looks good to me. I made the change. I am surprised that
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that will be relevant when NuScale is on the market.
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