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I hope that in time the organization continues to do more public outreach. I became interested in them when their staff organized community meetings which presented general science education, including nuclear power but even more about other power sources. I know that outreach of this sort does not
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I see this article has achieved Good status, but this promotion occurred in 2015. The article is a bit out of date, so I'd like to flag some issues and offer text suggestions and other updates based on reputable sources. To start, I'd like to focus on the
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