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The way its set up right now, it's hard to differentiate the different modes. On the part of SEPTA's web site where the routes are listed, the streetcar routes are listed separately from the bus routes. I have, however, begrudgingly decided to make the updates in your format until a concensous is
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Wonderful! I was planning on starting the draft myself, but I have been busy as of late and I appreciate your initiative. I moved your incomplete article out of mainspace to draftspace since it isn't complete yet. I think that "List of SEPTA bus routes" makes more sense as a title than "SEPTA bus
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