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356: 338: 660: 1273:" describes a part of a warship designed to damage an opposing ship, or the act of using this ship's part to do so. It does not normally indicate an accident. Later in the article, in the "Career" section, the incident is described as a "collision" which is usually an accident; and from context, it is clearly an accident, rather than an act of war. So I changed "naval ram" to "collision." While I was there, I deleted the words "victim of" because the word "victim" is unnecessary detail for a lead section. 964: 1262:, as it is mentioned in the lead section, refers to "several deaths." That wording struck me as possibly misleading. That fire involved more than "several deaths" -- "at least 326" in all -- but the fire also involved docks and 3 more ships. The other 3 ships were burned far worse than the KWdG. I can't tell whether "several deaths" is accurate for the KWdG, as opposed to the other parts of the disaster. So I have rewritten the sentence to: 190: 628: 1049: 402: 644: 612: 270: 814: 793: 709: 497: 688: 1178: 719: 307: 569: 558: 547: 536: 525: 455: 419: 1109:
I have removed the sentence which said "In any case, she earned the dubious distinction of being the first passenger ship sunk during World War I". A passenger ship is "a ship whose primary function is to carry passengers". The ship had been built as a passenger ship, but had been converted to a
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I'd like to see her rendered with guns to give an idea of her appearance before she was destroyed. I haven't found any. It would seem that a major refit would have had to have been done?
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I have corrected the lead section to better correspond to what is said in the "Career" section of the article, and a related article in Knowledge (XXG).
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The sentence was misleading with its implication that she was carrying passengers; perhaps conjuring images of
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Was the ship sunk in shallow water and dismantled? Is it still there? Where's the wreck site? Anyone know? --
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Currently the article claims that she was both a military vessel and a passenger ship. How could this be?
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was a passenger ferry converted to a minelayer which was sunk on 5 August 1914, three weeks before
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In 1900, she was damaged in a massive and lethal multi-ship fire in the port of New York.
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Some of her career was spent as a passenger ship, some of it as a warship.
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The lead section has described the 1906 accident as a "naval ram." "
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as a passenger ship, at the time of their sinkings.
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