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Would you care to make these changes yourself? I can't see any content worth salvaging in that section, but it is probably worth it to try and save important content than to nuke it outright. Since discussion seems to have stalled, and there is no significant opposition to removal of the section, I
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There are two opposing POV being propagated in the social media section, neither of which have a place in an encyclopedia article. Whether or not a statistically insignificant number of people condemned his death or praised his murderer is not relevant, unless said people are well known
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says here his son was released "a few months" after the murderer was hanged. The article about the kidnapping of his son says he was "recovered" on March 8, which is only a few days later. Which is correct?
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