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A: Double sentence spacing (on typewriters) was primarily used in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada (English). Because traditional spacing and French spacing is relevant to the topic, the article cannot be limited to "Sentence spacing in English." However, including languages based on
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I wouldn't revert if you made those changes, and I agree the blog posts should go. One of those two appears to have been introduced since the article was promoted. Perhaps the other is from academics and was considered to be OK for that reason? I can't see any evidence of that if so, so I agree
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The second paragraph seems to be a mixed of pros and cons, starting with the wonderful sentence: "Many people are opposed to single sentence spacing for various reasons." 🤔 "Others claim that additional space between sentences improves the aesthetics or readability of text." is already covered by
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A: There is no single authority for the English language. However, there are commonly accepted writing conventions in national varieties of English (e.g., American and British English). For example, it is conventional in written English to capitalize the first word of every sentence; end sentences
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The last paragraph (and part of the third one: "Some sources now state it is acceptable for monospaced fonts to be single-spaced today, although other references continue to specify double spacing for monospaced fonts.") about style guides recommendations should be moved to... "Style and language
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It's to prevent confusion with internal abbreviations where the dot is to be followed by a single space, for example "Mr." or "Dr.", especially because those very common abbreviations are almost always followed by a capital letter. This confusion is mentioned in the section on how computers deal
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There's a tag on the controversy section saying the negative information should be integrated into the rest of the article, but it seems to me it does a fine job of covering the controversy neutrally. I think the tag should be removed.
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A: This article simply reports what sources say about the topic. In this case, the sources themselves are contradictory. But coverage of these terms is necessary for completeness according to Featured Article criterion
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The "en space" or "en quad" is in my recollection the standard word space, and the "em space" or "em quad" is the typical sentence space, which is backwards from the page text. Can someone corroborate or rebut this?
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Just a note to say that Hallahan and Lloyd are (or were) professors at the University of Virginia Learning Disabilities Research Institute. This doesn't make them subject matter experts on typography.
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is most concerned about BLPs, and this topic is inherently controversial. The content could conceivably be distributed throughout the article instead, but I don't think it's necessary for neutrality.
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for evidence in popular culture), and I think readers may actually want to read a section summarizing the controversy, so I don't think it's harmful so long as the section phrases things neutrally.
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Q: What is the reason for the shift away from double sentence spacing in professionally published works in the early 20th century and in style guides in the late 20th and early 21st centuries?
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A: There doesn't seem to be a good answer to this in published literature. Modern typographers only speculate about the rationale. If you can find the answer, please add it to the article.
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The first paragraph with a 2009 quote about the current controversy should probably be moved to the History section, "Transition to single spacing". And/or the lede.
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Q: Why did early professional typesetters use exaggerated spacing (em spaces) between sentences? What led them to believe that was the best way to set type?
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A: Editors here have not found reliable, published sources that comment on this potential factor. If you can find the answer, please add it to the article.
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Q: Why does this article use terms like French and English spacing while acknowledging that they are confusing because they are not used consistently?
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Q: Why isn't typesetting time and cost mentioned, when it may have been a major factor in the modern transition from wider spacing to word spacing?
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A: There doesn't seem to be a good answer to this in published literature. If you can find the answer, please add it to the article.
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with the distinction but should also be featured in the "Controversy" and "Effects on Readability and Legibility" sections.
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Sanscrit, Cyrillic, Cuniform, Hieroglyphics, Chinese, and Japanese characters (among others), adds little to the article.
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A few sentences are not sourced. And the "Controversy" section may be removed and its content moved elsewhere?
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I don't have much to add about the content of the section. I just don't think the tag is necessary because
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The third paragraph is similar. Looks like OR to me. It is partially sourced using two blog posts:
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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.
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is one of the obvious things that should be encoded indirectly instead of directly used.
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Q: There is no single authority for the English language, so why is any of this relevant?
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Q: Why is this article restricted to "languages using a Latin-derived alphabet"?
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questioning the correctness of the "en quad" being the standard sentence space
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Q: Why is the "introduction of movable-type printing" mentioned in the lede?
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I've removed it; if anyone thinks it should stay we can discuss it here.
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guides" (if not already there). It is also sourced using a blog post
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the following section "Effects on readability and legibility".
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Main Reason Commonly Given for Double Spacing Is Not Mentioned
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A: This excludes the topic of sentence spacing in handwriting.
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Spaced en dashes are not the same as em dashes, and
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