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Looks like I introduced the error when I mis-simplified the previous contorted expression in the section above. Floor(j_2/95) was only used if j_2 ≥ 96. Since floor() will then be one, the simpler version is floor(j_2/96) without the conditional (or 1 if j_2 ≥ 96 and 0 otherwise). I thought the
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