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Not that I disagree with the assertion that the plotline section was a mess, but I think the baby just went out with the bathwater, because right now anybody who's unfamiliar with the strip isn't going to be able to figure out what the strip is about or what happens in it by reading this article. I'm
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The section labelled "Storyline" is a massive 6,000 word slab of text giving a blow-by-blow account of events in the strip. As such it's a substantial derived work and, besides being pretty useless in getting an overview of the strip and its characters, poses copyright problems (6,000 words without
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Shouldn't Bun-bun be under the bad guys? He's a psychpath, after all... he's just not bothered about killing the main cast (although he was during "On the Run"). The only times he's ever done anything good are when he's been coerced (often via baywatch, once by the Black Op Elves for a James Bond
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It definitely comes to mind that there are far more useful ways this could be fixed; certainly not in the same laundry-list method as you seem to have removed a good dozen similar sections just today. I'm going to put it back in as wiped-out text for the purpose of trimming it down. Copyright
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