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Squamish history is the forced unsettlement of their land by the Canadian government, this was glossed over in the "European colonization and the Indian Reserves" section. There is just one small portion that discusses how lands were "sold away" both "legally and illegally". The section also cites one specific instance but sums it up in one sentence by saying "families were forced into leaving". Here, I think it would be helpful instead to elaborate on how the Squamish people were unsettled. For example, one piece by Jean Barman goes in-depth into a particular instance where premier Richard McBride pushed the Squamish people out of their homes by citing the 1911 Amendment to the Indian Act which allowed the government to remove Indigenous People from reserves without their consent (Barman, Jean). When the Squamish were forced out, the government burned down the homes there. Stories such as this are extremely important in understanding the Squamish history and Canada's place in it. Another edit that could help would be adding some more pictures of modern-day Squamish people. For example, pictures of Squamish people playing lacrosse or at city hall? Although it is important to showcase the Squamish people in their cultural attire and through historical pictures, it is also important to showcase a modern-day Squamish. This is because depicting every Indigenous person as a warrior ensures that we continually paint them in that light, exclusively. Lastly, I think adding a section about sports would be extremely valuable. The Squamish people have strong ties to canoeing and lacrosse, which many people are unaware of. In fact, the Squamish people have played lacrosse in "pre-contact" times (Teiontsikwaeks). It is important to show that the Squamish were their own people with their own games and sports and that they introduced these to the colonists, not the other way around. Being wary of not accepting the European colonial version of history is crucial I think making the aforementioned edits would help bolster the article as a whole and allow it to represent the views of the Squamish equally.
2321:. It was because this main article was so rashly and rudely moved that the category was speedied (within hours...perhaps immediately, I didn't look close) and that defenders of "English" have been fighting tooth and nail to obstruct the return of the title to its original state, as "owned" by its creator and principal author and which was stable for years until the previous RM. So who's owning what? Those who mostly run around Knowledge articles invoking guidelines like Holy Writ, and who don't care about the consequences or the import or have any respect for an expert author and a highly visible convention, or those who are trying to keep some sanity to indigenous categories and article titles so that they aren't run roughshod by the half-educated-though-guideline-equipped. Guidelines are not rules, and even "policy" can have exceptions; and the Fifth Pillar is the Big Exception, and was invoked here for good reason; instead of arguing why this change is a bad thing and mandating that Knowledge should resist change by invoking "MOSTCOMMON" citations using the overwhelming preponderance of the archaic names, or respect such change; and also in terms of BLP show some deference to what a modern people choose to call themselves and why they call themselves that (to distinguish themselves from the town, and from the English name of their "Indian Act government" (as OMR calls it) which is not the same thing as
2442:. As noted above this RM was launched because of the emergmence, slowly, of a consensus at the CfD that "Skwxwu7mesh" has a case; and is in fact growing in currency though is not as well established as Tsleil-waututh, Sto:lo, St'at'imc, Tshilqot'in etc.....the imposition of COMMONNAME as if all that mattered here without regard to the convention very clear elsewhere means that this article (and the category) would be an exception to a very beneficial convention. A very beneficial convention that also avoided the namespace collision with important local geography. Because let me assure you, the COMMONNAME most often referred to by "Squamish" is the town, not the people....it's funny how much COMMONNAME is invoked by people who don't "get" that....and how all the other parallel articles and their titles are disregarded - or perhaps under threat? - by making COMMONNAME some kind of holy icon. There are more issues here than just that; but I guess if someone wants to find blinkers to wear, they will cinch them on tight...
1710:(4) Consensus is emerging (thank God) to move the category back to something easily distinguishable from the town or other uses; naming a main article after a category isn't in the rule book (and really naming a category after a main article isn't a hard and fast rule either, but gets used as if it were...with unpleasant and confusing consequences, as in this case) but if indigenous nomenclature wins there, there is no reason to resist here, especially given the short-time closure of the last RM and that, within it, it's even said that the decision has to respect the wishes/intent of those who created and built the article, namely OldManRivers and myself, because we weren't around anymore and therefore our opinions/preferences don't matter. MOS now says otherwise, and I have in fact this morning alerted OldManRivers to the CfD and the RM at
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Sḵwx̱wú7mesh" side felt strongly about it and inferred it was symbol of repairing some of the past wrongs done to the indigenous peoples and that it would be politically and culturally insensitive to spell it "Squamish". However, this doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to disagree with that decision or change the name of the article to fit with
Knowledge's policy. This is the English language Knowledge and article names are supposed to be in English, (even the text of articles is supposed to be in English). I was trying to be sensitive by asking here whether there was anyone who currently objected to the article name being changed to "Squamish", but as of yet no one has voiced any arguments as to why the current title should stand. So, is there a procedure by which we have to apply in order to have the article title changed?
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with the Skwxwu7mesh as a people. There are various exceptions and interpretations in UE and in MOS about romanization and more; but it always boils down to someone saying "it's not
English". Well, neither, and very pointedly, is "Squamish"...and the presence of that spelling as a common name on the local geography is NOT relevant to the name to be used for the people, and saying "we don't care what they prefer to call themselves" is if you stop and think about it a BLP violation. Why shouldn't we care? Who are we to say different? Who are you, if you've never been to Squamish and never met a Skwxwu7mesh person, to say it's not an English word. The Olympic organization used it, academia in BC use it, the Squamish Nation and the Howe Sound school board use it.
1823:, which had to be copy pasted for use because of the complexity of the diacriticals and various special characters. "St'at'imc" and "Sto:lo" occur in English regularly - but not with all the diacriticals; in the Sto:lo case it's also a bit political as the heavily-diacriticalized form is used and promoted by one of the two tribal councils but expressly not by the other; I don't know how the independent bands use it, but most likely without the diacriticals as most Sto:lo don't speak Halqemeylem. If it's a matter of respecting the original creator's choice, then I'm OK with the diacriticalized version if need be, I just think the undiacriticalized version is (a) how it's used in English, when it
2305:(not you I know); there is nothing wrong with standing up not just for convention but for good reason, and resisting thoughtless application of guidelines in isolation.....or to allow prejudiced comments to stand in an RM, for that matter. The premise that "Squamish" is English while "Skwxwu7mesh" is also, upon close examination - and you don't have to even look too close - completely fabulous and rather, um, bizarre. And also standing up for PRIMARYTOPIC against people who voted for this move who didn't even know where Squamish was, hadn't heard of the people before, one who confused them wit the Suguamish etc...I'd say knowing the turf and speaking up for it should not be branded as
2031:, especially in BC, where such terms are not part of standard English (they may not be in your ENGLISH, but CANENGL applies here), among those reasons were a host of PRIMARYTOPIC collisions with major geographic placenames; hence Nuxalk vs Bella Coola, St'at'imc vs Lillooet, Secwepemc vs Shuswap, and so on; but you'd have to know BC to "get it": OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to toss out efforts to maintain a convention that was established with good reason and by thoughtful deliberation by several editors who know the turf, and the topic.
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all to conventions about this class of ethno article; and was closed hastily, and without anyone involved who was familiar with the town and/or the people taking part, in only seven days. The same bad reasons to keep it here continue to be presented, the other reasons as to why not continue to be ignored.....and I'm backed into a corner because any time I criticize those reasons is construed/branded as a "personal attack". This title is anamalous within
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1865:- I don't suppose you have clued into the fact that "Squamish" isn't English either; it's only an older-era attempt at romanization of what is spelled (with special characters and diacriticals) in Skwxwu7msh snichim as "Skwxwu7mesh". "Squamish" is not any more an English word than "Skwxwu7mesh" is. And I won't start listing all th article and category titles in Knowledge, not just in indigenous topics, that are "not English". Have a look in
2043:. If you insist on it being in English, the name of the people -and the town and the river - should be "mother of the wind" or "sacred water" or "dreamkiller". Squamish is no more an English word than Skwxwu7mesh is; and in recent years, especially, Skwxwu7mesh is common and is found in lots of reliable sources, including school curricula, academic papers, publications of the Squamish Nation government, and in Vancouver media.
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English. For example, Chinese people don't call their country China, but that is the
English word for it so that is the name used (and of course there are hundreds of other examples). I can only conclude that some "Sḵwx̱wú7mesh" people had a strong feeling about this issue, perhaps feeling that it was offensive to use the Anglicized word? Are people going to get upset and/or immediately revert it if I were to change the title?
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ignored; "Nootka" and "Kwakiutl" are still common names for the
Kwakwaka'wakw and Nuu-chah-nulth, and Bella Coola for the Nuxalk; that doesn't mean that they should be article titles; COMMONNAME is being used as a bludgeon here and other issues concerning these names are being shoved aside.... and the PRIMARYTOPIC problem here isn't going to go away by constantly shaking COMMONNAME around as if it were an ironclad rule
2027:- that are represented by the other material in the same categories and topic areas you are waving away by invoking that guideline out of context to the whole. The Fifth Pillar "There Are No Rules" always seems to be lost in the shuffle of people throwing around guidelines without actually knowing or caring about the topics their "input" is affecting. Endonyms were chosen for ethno category/article names for
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2078:"English" usage has caused all kinds of problems, it was stable where it was for a long time until people started coming along and tossing around guidelines like snowballs...who didn't even read the article, or know about the town. Also the pretense that it's fine for Knowledge to be insensitive and chauvinist is rubbish....and simplistic, as well as yielding unsatisfactory results.....
2242:; there may be a variant spelling of Syilx among the Colvilles I'm not sure - another case of that infamous /7/ glottal stop that gets people's knickers in a knot (they don't similar complain about the colon in Sto:lo though). So with only a very few exceptions, when there was no clear endonym in use, and because many of the major peoples are very well-known by their endonyms
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2313:. What I do see here, with the original convention dissolving with so many attacks on it by people invoking guidelines out of context, often without proper citations or justifications or based on misconceptions or even outright prejudice. Bear in mind, too, that this main article reversion to its original-long-standing title is being RMd because of the CfD underway at
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of sensitivity or a confusing title (as if it were alone in
Knowledge in being a term most people don't recognize). The move should have been to remove diacriticals only; the mess that's created is deplorable, as are the arguments by rule-biters who resist any logic to the need for a better category name; both article and category should be at the un-diacritical
1703:(3) The previous RM, as I have pointed out there, was flawed in numerous ways, not the least of which was the namespace collision with the PRIMARYTOPIC of "Squamish" being overwhelmingly the District of Squamish (referred to as "the town", "District" is a municipal status), which became manifest when someone speedied the category this is the main article for to
2614:. That this change sat since 2011 or whenever it was because I was inactive, and OldManRivers absent, is only a matter of how glacially-slow Wikipedian procedures are, and how exhaustive they can be to get the most simple thing done; so we stay away from them, because of the CABAL effect Ottawahitech points out in the CfD, rather than engage; then when we
2023:. It is also the same word as "Squamish" only spelled more accurately, so the argument that a name has to be English to be in Knowledge can be thrown right out the window in any such case of an adopted native term; the "OTHERSTUFFEXISTS" shibboleth doesn't serve to recognize the conventions about indigenous names in Canadian English - in Canadian
1547:(Suquamish). The /b/ at one time may have been an /m/ instead, which would result in all those being amš, which is similar to -mesh. Hence, when we look at the languages, one can see how the Coast Salish and Interior Salish are related. I will look for reference/citation to include the explaining of -mesh on the Squamish people article though.
2562:?? You are always proposing simple guideline-invocations which ignore all of the parallel precedents and the reasons why they exist...and don't shove that OTHERSTUFFEXISTS rationale at me, it's as insulting as TLDR. The people informed and aware of the town and the people have supported me in the CfD, and the previous RM here
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on this discussion page, which outlined problems with browsers displaying the characters etc and appeared unresolved. Is there a reason for this? Is it simply out of respect to or due to requests or edits by the
Squamish people? Just curious as this appears inconsistant to most of the rest of the English Knowledge. Thanks :-)
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should be tossed aside as "Knowledge doesn't have to acknowledge that" as if there weren't wikipedians who disagree with such thinking. One thing I know about
Knowledge is it doesn't acknowledge a lot of its own problems....and that the people talking like that cherrypick guidelines and ignore whole
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are for now. How to add second and third items to an RM listing I'll look into later; explaining the obvious - what is obvious to anyone in BC, and anyone familiar with
Canadian English adoption of native-preferred terms - over for the fortieth time. Please look beyond your guidelines, and get your
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which is now undergoing an arduous and, because of this article-title, seemingly intractable CfR where the premise that article titles and category names "must" match, despite the existing standards within IPNA and WPCAN to use the endonyms where appropriate (as they were here). This is not a matter
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It looks like a few years back there was a debate held about whether the title should be
Squamish or Sḵwx̱wú7mesh, and it appears that those who felt it should be the latter spelling as opposed to the English spelling won. I can only assume that it was because the people who were on the "it should be
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bands to refer to only one example. And the "Okanagan people", whose name we confabbed about because of the variable spelling of it from one side of the border to the other (Okanagan/Okanogan, in the case of the river resolved by favouring the US spelling as the majority of the river's length is in
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to this RM, and may yet (see below). The town which is the core of the municipality called the District of Squamish is decidely the PRIMARYTOPIC and also the MOSTCOMMON usage of "Squamish". The rationale that www.squamish.net is "proof" that it is "somewhat official" is offbase; the name of a band
2057:. The primary topic of the word "Squamish" is the town, and that is the problem here also; most "FOO people" titles (other than in indigenous topics, were "people" was wantonly added needlessly to lots of articles that were just fine at "FOO") mean "people from FOO" or "people who are FOOish", .e.g
1178:. Only the last two are not redirects to the traditional English exonyms. In the case of Lakota, the exonym "Sioux" refers to other groups as well, and the Tohono O'odham have put a lot of effort into pushing their endonym, to the extent that it is probably more used today in English than "Papago".--
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guidelines have been examined in the following RM, nor the prior consensus re terminology and paradigms because of differences between the concept of peoples vs band governments vs language groups, and the scattered application of mis-used guidelines, has resulted in time-consuming chaos and yet the
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to the other categories and articles in the same area. None of you seem to get that...... just as you refuse to see the geographic problem with this name, or the emerging cultural/linguistic reality in Canada.....but hell, we're just a colony and should do as we're told and accept what Wikipedians
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the ethnographic group/people/"tribe" but is the town; it was out of deference to the people that I originally made the dab page with them as equals to the town, being its namesake (indirectly); but once OldManRivers came along and provided the authentic in-use-in-modern-English term used among his
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RM.....and that Wikipedians in distant countries oblivious to the experience of his and other peoples having their names taken away from them and dictated by people from distant lands...well, it's just not a very pretty context, let's put it that way; he's indicated he'll be by here soon to comment
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more common than "Squamish people", especially in more recent texts. So "UCN" falls down, especially if you're saying that it's "common" because it's used on the name of the river, the band government, the municipality, the regional district, and on a host of company names which have nothing to do
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K, thanks, would be good to know before attempting an RM....the slashed lambda re St'at'imcets by the way, pretty sure if you use that there's no need for the apostrophe; in the Van Eijk orthography for St'at'imcets that's now official with the SN/LTC and USCCLES the /t'/ represents that "ƛ" sound,
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and other completely confusing namespace collisions if your speedies hadn't been corrected after long and arduous argument with YOU, no matter how many cites were brought forward you still dug in your heels and opposed any and all cites, citing specious reasons to ignore them and insist on your own
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were just hot air and produced nothing worth looking at or even looking into? Guidelines are not hard and fast rules, and if there are reasons to make exceptions (as there are in all these cases) ignoring those exceptions is contrary to the guidelines....claiming they are "policy" when there is no
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is their name in their language, not in English. The special characters were developed in order to create a written language (that uses some characters from the Latin/Roman alphabet) because their language was originally oral only. "Squamish Nation" is the government of the Squamish people. See the
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I have noticed the English word Squamish is shown in this article and others, such as the Stanley Park article in the Squamish language, as "Sḵwx̱wú7mesh", as opposed to in the English language? Forgive my ignorance of any earlier discussion or controversy on this issue other than the first section
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we are told that our reluctance to challenge the existing power group in each procedural area means that the term has stood in place for a while and so therefore is now acceptable. Despite its problems, despite the conflicts with other guidelines, even despite the evidence that this term is now at
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passed....if I hadn't been targeted as a "problem" in the way of doing the right thing, even though it was me who had provided all the points that leant that decision in that direction; the original RM here, I will continue to maintain, was biased and based on false assumptions and no reference at
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Alrighty then, so how do you propose to solve the namespace collision problem - and the implications of "FOO people" - which have severely impacted category name issues? COMMONNAME cannot be viewed in isolation like this when other conventions covering groups of article are at play; and I keep on
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One other thing that's being glossed over again and again; that conventions in given categories that were long-standing until being piecemeal-messed with; instead they were ignored and RMs even pulled on their main articles to try and foment speedy changes to "more English" archaic/distorted terms
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No input? I see that there was discussion about this some years ago. It doesn't personally affect me, I just noticed that the name of this article does not comply with Knowledge naming conventions, in that all article titles are supposed to be in the language of the Knowledge version, in this case
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occur in English sources, as on that Tyee link, it's not with all the diacriticals. From my own end of things, it's practicality that leads me to have proposed Skwxwu7mesh on the CfD, and on last year's CfD, and here again; that it's easier to type. Similar stripping-of-diacriticals was done on
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of this topic. Although I quoted guidelines and policy, I did my homework, too. I did a number of searches before arriving at my opinion using various word combinations with Google web search and Google Books/Google Ngram and I am astute enough to discern references for the town versus for the
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contexts, particularly the town (District of Squamish), than for the people. It is because of those other contexts that convention has risen within the membership of the Squamish Nation and in communities living around them to use "Skwxwu7mesh" to distinguish between all those other more common
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I just wanted to provide some feedback for possible edits to be made! I think that there are some underrepresented views in this article that can be improved upon. What I mean by this can be first seen in the sections discussing the land and geographical history of the Squamish. Although a very
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and try and slog, if you will, through my explanations of so much and more on the CfD and my responses to the previous RM, and also to OldManRivers' thoughts on this.....him being an expert on the subject and all, and who per MOS should be deferred to as the article's creator; changing it to an
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convention that you all very pointedly are ignoring even discussing? The PRIMARYTOPIC problem here is not going to go away; those Canadians who commented on the problem in the CfD have all been ignored in favour of the same old refrains of the same old guidelines being invoked as if they were
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and their corresponding main article titles were all hashed out at the dawn of wiki-time; moving this one to where it is now was done for all kinds of wrong reasons vs what had been there - not the least of which is obvious prejudice - and the conventions about using indigenous names in Canada
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All this is old ground, and I get dissed for "walls of text" as an excuse for nobody taking time to understand or research the issues. Potshotting guidelines as nostrums here for 'easy answers' doesn't work, and the results invariably by such actions, taken out of context with conventions and
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I know you were just explaining what happened in the past & why to your knowledge :-) I was just explaining that I understood but still disagree with the naming. Knowledge is not the place to try to bring about changes in the public vernacular. I also think part of the contention with this
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controversial and any attempt to change them back was vociferously opposed by the same lone editor, on endlessly trivial grounds and despite demanding sources, provided none of this own. The result of your RM nomination below has been a completely unworkable ill-advised category name, and now
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these things were named and organized as they are, are the ones "voting" does not add up....votes based on false premises or insufficient knowledge/information, and knee-jerking about "what is English and what is not" I see more and more of; the result is, in teh case of indigenous articles,
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in English. This can be verified easily and is actually reflected in most (but not all) of the references and bibliography. Question... Do most peoples around the world not have English Knowledge articles titled in English instead of their own language? Or is there a difference here? Just
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I'm not arguing either way; I just wanted to provide some perspective on how it ended up at this title. Certainly many other Knowledge articles have names for political reasons, in many cases after carefully crafted compromises. In this case, it seems that the editors who strongly supported
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uses of "Skwxwu7mesh" and that that name has some official sanction but "Squamish" is more common across the board and it, too, still has official usage as I pointed out. I don't deny this may change in the future but it is not Knowledge's job to instigate this change. I considered the
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and others.....winnowing googlestats to exclude uses of "Squamish" for the town and the band government et al, i.e. for "Squamish people" vs "Skwxwu7mesh" are, last time I looked, in favour of the latter; especially if results from earlier times are disregarded. That the Olympic-funded
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the people. But you will also find on that site many uses of "Skwxwu7mesh" in English phrases, and you will also find it in media and academic writing in BC and community news and bumpf from Squamish and the North Shore (i.e. North Van, where two of the largest reserve communities
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And if you don't winnow out non-BC/non-Canada linguistic/ethnographic writings, and non-Canadian writings in general (other than from Germany where they're "up" on indigenous cultures/revivals), then your data will remain skewed against the emergent Canadian cultural/lingistic
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Why is it that all of you who trot out that refrain continue to recognize the PRIMARYTOPIC collision with the town of Squamish? Why is it that you all ignore the "FOO people" paradigm for article titles, and for category titles, is for "people/individuals who are FOO"? e.g.
1928:. Non-English names may be increasingly accepted but that does not make them the most common or the most accessible to a general audience. While native cultural revival is laudable (from my perspective, anyway), it is not Knowledge's job to promote it. Knowledge should
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and which has been acknowledged in complex RMs last year. There are other cases to consider, but these are part of the context of the adoption of native ethnonyms as placenames in Canada and the modern introduction of alternate forms that are romanizations of the terms
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and related main articles there; and the conventions very evident in both instances should be taken into consideration - but they are always ignored. The blinkers-on attitude re COMMONNAME as if it were the only consideration this should be judged on, actually ignores
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are now common fare in Canadian English. Making this one an exception because someone doesn't like a '7' in the name or thinks it's unpronounceable (when there's lots of unpronounceable titles out there, particularly in indigenous topic areas) is really trivial by
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practices in these categories and in articles related to this one, taken by people who don't know the context, don't realize the PRIMARYTOPIC issue, make assumptions about "NOT ENGLISH" and "COMMONNAME" that don't bear up to scrutiny and more; see the other RMs at
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uses. You will find a comment from VolcanoGuy on the CfD about how the use of Skxwwu7mesh for clarity for anyone frequenting the Squamish region makes one whole lot of sense. "He was a Squamish living in Squamish by the Squamish River" is only the start of it.
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reasons why the old diacritical-text title was accepted by so many editors for so long; there would be other diacritical titles out there too, if *I* hadnt' changed them. The notion that Squamish is "more easily pronounceable" also doesn't register, like at
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and more. Please educate yourself on (a) what the range of article/category titles are foreign words that are used in English, and are already in use in Knowledge and (b) the increasing acceptance of indigenously-prefered names in Canadian English. Not in
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pronunciation) in English; invoking one guideline out of context to all else is not serving anyone's interests here, and not providing a solution to the PRIMARYTOPIC namespace collision or the aberration from other ethno article title conventions that have
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The usage of the Squamish Nation website does not indicate the usage for the people as a whole. "Squamish Nation" is the band government's legal name as registered with Indian Affairs under the Indian Act, "squamish.net" refers to the government,
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title is in English characters (although I would still debate whether it's the most commonly known English word for it - even in BC Canada where I live). But I'm not saying that some of the other article titles don't also need to be changed, (as
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current title is not in the English language, in contrast with the English Knowledge naming convention guidelines. Please post whether you support or dispute the proposed renaming (and why). I am listing this article at
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people to distinguish their community/identity from their band government, and the town, and I learned that comma-province on town names was not necessary if there were no other towns of that name, that the dab on
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have replaced "Interior Tsimshian" as they used to be called (the Nisga'a were spelled as the Nishga, which is pretty much how that's pronounced but is not used in media or academic sources any longer; Skwxwu7mesh
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2015:"Sḵwx̱wú7mesh" was the preference of the article's creator (please note again the end of the third paragraph of the intro to MOS) and may indeed better belong in a Sḵwx̱wú7mesh Knowledge. But "Skwxwu7mesh" is a
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I came looking for what I know had been here about the meaning of the name.....where'd it go? Been lots of vandalism here of late, maybe it didn't get reverted once it got deleted; it's not on the language page
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