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528:. I see no elaboration, and the section as it exists now is almost exclusively a series of bullet points in prose, which start "On , X happened". This makes for very boring reading, and there is no context: for example, the Taito acquisition was completed in 2005, yet there's a later sentence that mentions that all Taito games for "home consoles and portable systems are handled by Square Enix": why present tense (should be past), and why not back in 2005? 104:, who then refused to reconsider their passage. A number of these flaws were enumerated in the article's first GA review nearly two years ago; most of these were never fixed. There's also little material that goes up to the present day, and some from the mid-2000s that has not been followed up on. The article could use not only an update, but also a trim of material that may have seemed important ten years ago but has proven not to be germane. 459: 311: 264: 218: 187: 150: 419: 380: 332: 355: 286: 439: 248: 963:
The first paragraph's opening sentence says "does not usually use other companies' game engines", but the third paragraph's first sentence includes "uses and continues to consider other companies' engines and programming languages". I think these need to be revised so they are less contradictory; the
933:, I've just done so: it's now cite number 64. Please note that I have just guessed at what part of the previous sentence each entry refers to based on the title or url—this feature helps people know which source covers which item—and I would greatly appreciate you revising these as necessary. Thanks. 908:
The first sentence needs work, not simply in terms of tense, but it also isn't as smooth and clear as it ought to be. It also isn't clear how far along the merger negotiations had progressed when the financial losses at Square put the potential deal on hold or scuttled it completely, and whether the
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This starts with the completion of the merger, but to meet GA's broadness criterion, it needs to start sooner, with a short history of Square, a short history of Enix, and a short history of the merger, which was apparently initially planned in 2000 but was sidetracked due to losses at Square. It is
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What happened with the suit Soft-World International brought against Square Enix? It's been nearly ten years; it should have been concluded or settled by now. It isn't enough to mention that there was legal action, it's important to note what happened with it, assuming it was notable. (If it wasn't
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In the second paragraph, the use of "unveiled" does not fit. In general, this paragraph seems to have too much detail: the first two sentences could be condensed (is the code name necessary? where and when it was announced?), and the Crystal Tools wikilink duplicates an earlier link. Also, was XIV
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Even in what I've covered, there is a daunting amount of work that needs to be done on this article, even more than was needed in 2014 when the article was failed immediately. I am allowing the standard seven days for work to be done. If significant progress is being made by then, I will naturally
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As noted in the GA1 review, there are significant unsourced sections, which may or may not be original research, but are not allowed at the GA level. The Subsidiaries section remains almost entirely unsourced, as are internal sections, including all of Arcade gaming, the first paragraph of Online
1136:, thanks for the reminder. I'm certainly willing to give Judgesurreal777 another couple of weeks, given how disgracefully long it took me to do the second pass, posted four weeks ago. Though you are right that it certainly shouldn't stay too much longer, and I'll try to keep a better eye on it. 655:
Similarly, a BBB rating from the beginning of 2010 is not appropriate to mention. If you have a current rating, it might be, but I'm not sure this is appropriate—what does a Better Business Bureau rating even mean in the context of a games designer and manufacturer? Is this the national BBB? An
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This GAR has been open for nearly 3 months now and the article has seen few changes made in the past month. Unless someone is willing to make improvements, I would suggest closing this GAR and demoting the article if it still doesn't meet GA standard. It can be renominated in the future.
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I'm sorry it has taken so long to start—I have just gone through and done some copy editing in the article. Please check to be sure the changes do not affect the accuracy of the text. There are some places that I felt needed a bit more work than what I've done; they are listed below.
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There is one bare URL (FN2) and one external link (FN72), and a number of references that have only a linked title. These and other references need improvement; among other things, it's difficult to determine what might be a reliable or unreliable source without the source's
745:, I am still working on the article. It needs that table of subsidiaries filled in and referenced, and the article copy edited, sourced and updated. Doable, just need a few more days. If you could take another look, any specific new fixes you see would be helpful. 610:
I'm not going to cover this in detail, but the sourcing of this section is irregular, with entire paragraphs and ends of paragraphs being unsourced. See the Online gaming opening and closing paragraphs and the Arcade gaming section as examples of places that need
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Glad to see that you're already making significant progress. Once you've finished what's here, I'll continue the review: I didn't want to invest the time in an exhaustive review unless I saw an equivalent commitment to addressing the issues raised.
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As was noted in the GA1 review, the five bulleted links at the bottom of this section do not belong here: either they should be moved to External links (but be sure they meet the qualifications) or should be deleted. Some of them may no longer be
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once again, "revealed" is not the right description for such an announcement; can you give any more detail about the XV movie here? Not a lot, but is it live action, animated, in production or only in development, and maybe a bit
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Ok, this is probably going to take a bit more time, I have several other tasks going on a present I have to get to, a few GA reviews and fixes to do, so it may be a bit before I can get to all the corrections. It's nearly there!
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I'm not entirely sure that the merger delay should be reiterated here, since it was mentioned in the Merger section; if you do keep it here, please revise it a bit so the similar wording remains similar after the Merger section
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I believe that's everything, but I may notice a few more issues once you've made this new round of changes. I think we're very close to completing the reassessment. Thanks for your excellent work so far, and for your patience.
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The second paragraph strikes me as unimportant detail: we know virtually nothing about these particular divisions except that their leaders left, or they had a particular leader in a particular month. I'd advise deleting it
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The final sentence of that paragraph needs a source, and the final "at a reduced price" is displaced (it should probably go before or after "under the Ultimate hits label", but if after then further modifications will be
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The six cites in a row at the end of the "Slime merchandise" sentence is again excessive. While the first two need to be kept separate, since they are used elsewhere, the final four are only used here and should be
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The use of eight inline citations at the end of the second sentence is excessive. I have no objection to eight sources, but they should be combined into a single citation. (If you don't know how to do this, I can
506:: the source is talking about the stock here, but on page 12 (FN9) it says "Neither of the two companies would be recognized as the acquiring company", so calling Enix the "surviving" company is a bit misleading. 497:
Please give the full name here for all three companies: Square Enix Co., Ltd., Square Co., Ltd., and Enix Corporation. After that, you can use the short versions, but the full name should be given at least
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The final two sentences of that paragraph could be combined, Crystal Tools and the MMORPG nature moved to the beginning before the game name (again, why is the announcement date important here?)
762:, please keep on going; you're making great progress. If you don't mind, I'd rather wait until you've finished all the work you're planning to do before I start a new assessment. Thanks. 1167:, if that is your preference, I'll close the GAR as delisted. Once you've been able to do the work on the article as above, by all means please renominate it at GAN. Best of luck. 598:
In the final sentence, I wouldn't call it a merger, since that sounds like a combining of corporations, not internal groups. I'd use a word like "combined" or something similar.
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The use of "revealed" in the second sentence feels odd to me. Perhaps "introduced" (or maybe "announced", if the system wasn't released that year) would be more appropriate?
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The GA1 review mentioned that the then-existing Corporate history section was a series of bullets without prose, and said that it should become prose, with the conversion
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There seems to be some material along this line in the final Video games paragraph. It should be consolidated in a single place, though it can be referred to in another.
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I'm going to start by noting issues with a few sections only. Once these are addressed, I will move on to others. Any issues remaining from the July 2014 GA review (
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Is this the only award Square Enix has ever won? I very much doubt it. Unless something more complete can be created, I'd suggest getting rid of this one mention.
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This article does not reach the standard of a Good Article, and needs significant work throughout to get there. More complete comments will be given below.
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not enough to have "See also" links; give a very brief summary of each company. Also mention at least the primary game franchise(s) each had.
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There is no predecessor company information in the Corporate history section, and no sense of how well the current company is doing overall.
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The "polymorphic content" information is taken from a 2004 source. Is this still true over a decade later, or has it changed since then?
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To be honest, I have become very busy in life lately, so perhaps it would be better that it be renominated later, and this GAR closed.
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Prose does not meet the "clear and concise" guideline, notably in the Corporate history section, and there are some grammatical issues.
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can probably finish our fixes without too much trouble; this article should yield some barnstars for quality review and fixing!
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There's a tense problem in the second paragraph's fifth sentence, and it seems to have structural issues as well. Please revise.
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I see one bare URL, one "" external link, and a number that are only linked titles. The reference contents need to be improved.
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The end of the third paragraph is another place where the multiple cites could be combined into a single multi-source cite
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This needs to be updated, as does whether Crystal Tools is still used (and whether it has been rebranded or updated).
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The Eidos and Smileworks are each handled in two disparate sentences, rather than in a connected fashion.
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Wow, quite the epic GA review/reassessment this is! I'll get to the new round of fixes as soon as I can
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The third sentence needs to be revised; the "as of" clause, combined with "ongoing", is confusing.
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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
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The final sentence of the last paragraph uses "has also begun", yet it's talking about 2007.
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just a friendly reminder, still interested to know what you think of the recent changes.
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international rating? If it's a local bureau, then it should be removed as non-notable.
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It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
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The original Square Enix was formed as the result of a merger between Square and Enix.
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This article has some fundamental flaws that were overlooked by a novice reviewer,
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gaming, and the latter halves of the second and third Other media paragraphs.
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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
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elaborating if possible on how they relate to the company's overall status
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notable or didn't affect the company, then maybe it should be deleted.)
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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing
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later negotiations picked up from the previous ones or started afresh.
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First paragraph: using "got" seems not only informal but lacking info
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There should be some prose about this before the list begins.
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former sets up an expectation that is not met in the latter.
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I don't think it's appropriate to give street addresses here
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actually released on that date? If so, just say it was.
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The final sentence does not work as is; please revise
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