Talk:Crypto.com Arena

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appears in boldface. Lastly, in the infobox, there is a header for the former name and the former name Staples Center is mentioned. There really is no real need to constantly be mentioning the former name more than its mentioned. Mentioning it at the top of the article is fine as the name change is recent. Mentioning it in the infobox under the former name header is perfectly logical as it reflects the venue's history. Beyond that mentioning it in the photo caption just makes the article overly redundant. --

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the "publicity piece" feel, IMHO. Also, this section goes into more detail about LA Live than needs to be there, another thing that makes it read like a promo for AEG. All it needs to mention is the hotel/residential building, the Nokia Theater and ESPN broadcast facility/studios, and "...other retail, entertainment and dining amenities," or something to that effect. It doesn't have to get more specific than that. LA Live can have its own article, after all.

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week or so. They are events much like the NCAA finals, or the Latin Grammy Awards that occur yearly and are differentiated by that fact. The issue here is that an editor currently being questioned by admins has been going around articles and removing all notes relating to professional wrestling from them. That was what my edit summary was referring to. --

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that this is probably not appropriate at this point in the article, especially when the lead needs to be re-written and expanded. In fact, the lead should probably include much of what is in the History section. That being the case, mention of the award certainly doesn't belong in the lead. Mention of this award should appear later in the article.

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mentioning that since I noticed you mentioned pro wrestling as a subject you believe to be heavily mentioned next to concert performances (which is clearly the only subject that seems to be heavily mentioned). Now about the concerts performances, I should inform you that these have all been constantly added to various venue articles by

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primary focus really should be on their primary tenants. Lesser weight should be given to the other events, regardless of their notablity, IMHO. Even the 2001 NHL All-Star Game and the Democratic Convention years ago are more notable (the 2001 NHL All-Star Game because its related to one of the primary tenants). --

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I hear you. So why don’t we just compromise by saying “Exterior of the Arena as seen in 2012”. Obviously that photo was taken before the name change and that’s why I suggested that someone get an updated photo of the exterior of the arena with the new signage. Yes, the photo does contradict that logo

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I've removed a bunch of the performers/artists who have appeared in concert at Staples Center and have added the fact template for each of those listed, since they are all unreferenced. Hopefully, none will be added unless they are of tremendous notability as there is no need for this article to list

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I have taken this a step further. The article is still missing citations for various "facts," it contains statements that, without citations, appear to be based on original research, and since much of it sounds like a press release for the arena, I suspect that it may have been edited by someone with

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Perhaps you are the one how seems a bit biased. See there are only 6 references pertaining to pro wrestling, and 13 pertaining to sports related to those of the arena's tenants, additionally 3 references to other combat based sports, and 4 on award shows/conventions. I just thought I'd start-off with

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The notes section also reads like a promotion for the arena. What purpose does the load-in information serve in the article? I'm sure it's factual, but is it encyclopedic? Hardly. Same goes for the color of the seats and mention of the scoreboard. Mention of the television capabilties is notable, but

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I'm only sort of "back." But a couple of things...keep in mind that AEG is a worldwide company with people working for them all over the place. And based on the way they do business, it would not surprise me if they had employees outside of LA area contributing to this article to reduce the chance of

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I keep seeing users re-adding the former name "Staples Center" under the top photo in the infobox. I find this overly redundant. Firstly, in the photo, it says Staples Center. You can see it just by viewing the photo, so you can tell that's the former name. At the top of the article, the former name

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In the Future developments section: It starts with, "Although Staples Center is already a Los Angeles landmark..." While that is probably true, who determined that? There is no factual basis provided. There should be a couple of citations for this statement, or it's nothing more than POV and adds to

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Well, it read like one until you changed "edit" to "revert" on my talk page. :-) Anyway, I'm not interested in an edit war. In fact, I had no idea you were working on the article...it appeared that you just added more wrestling events (I still feel we've already gone overboard on listing examples of

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I understands. Thats fine. I had already taken care of the name change on the Harry Reid International Airport page and I did it within 24 hours prior to the name change of that airport. Now that the name change is effective for Crypto.com Arena, I am noticing some redundancy being added (sometimes

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Yes, me too - and some may have picked up on seeing Knowledge bearing that phrase, until they were reverted. I am a totally uninvolved editor, with no axe to grind either way, and not from the US. I just feel there is a difference between stating a nickname as a genuine historic epithet, based upon

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About the references...four of the six are from AEG sources. That's why I said that more independent sources are needed. Not that the AEG sources are suspect, but it would give the article more credibility if more independent sources are used. And what evidence do you have that no one involved with

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While this is pretty uncommon, wait until it actually takes effect next time please. You changed it at 7:30 AM California time which 16 and a half hours before it officially took effect. We have to wait until things officially take effect and it's usually the exact time in the time zone. I know it

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I don't think I'm the one who's biased here. After all, there are "only 6 references to pro wresting," according to your comment above. Why do we need six, when significant events by the primary tenants aren't mentioned that many times? That, and, as you admit, there are way, way too many concerts

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I've been away, but now that I'm back and looking at this article again, it's still little more than a promotional piece for Staples Center and the list of events/performers reflects nothing more than a popularity poll. "Who do I like best that performed at Staples Center? I'm going to add them to

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Some users appear to be giving the venue a nickname; "The Crypt". The name just changed and its too soon for the venue to have a nickname for the name change. If it were to stick around as a nickname amongst the public and it the reference were to be sourced then maybe. But if "The House the Kobe

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This is just an idea, but I’m curious as to how you all feel. Do any of you feel that it might be worthwhile to add a new section to the article about the history of the naming rights? Two different companies have had naming rights to the venue already and perhaps it’s not a bad idea to add a new

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The Facts and Timeline sections that were in this article were nothing more than a trivia section. This material needs to be incorporated into the prose. It also contains some rather useless trivia. I don't have time to make these edits, so I just combined them into a trivia section and added the

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There would be an exception to those events because they are indeed notable by the fact that they are responsible for setting many of the arena’s current record figures. You also have to understand that these types of events aren't similar to those such as concerts, or road shows that occur every

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As for specifics on what reads like a press release or like a publicity piece for Staples Center, it hits you in the face right away. The first thing the History section says is that it won the Pollstar award. First thing. I'm not questioning whether or not they won this award. Rather, I'm saying

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Pro wrestling is about as notable to the history of sporting venues as tractor pulls. Only by the insistence of a small motley crew of rasslin' buffs does it even merit mention in a general-interest encyclopedia, and it certainly doesn't need to creep its way into other articles that have all but

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Just because the official title is in all caps, doesn't nessecarily mean that it has to be all caps here on wikipedia. For example, the Miami Heat are offically the Miami "HEAT" on thier websites, but the name is rendered "Heat" when it is referenced in stories. Than same is true with the Staples

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to be included which clearly demonstrates it has long been widely used and genuine nickname/alternative name, not just a currently repeated phrase at a moment of nationale outpouring of grief. I know nothing about this topic, but I did revert the inclusion of that name, citing a CBS source as my

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Also, pro wrestling, concerts and other performances/events held at Staples Center dominate this article. So little attention is paid to their primary tenants that it seems like they are not notable at all, despite the fact that they are, the most notable of all those who use Staples Center as a

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Multiple users have brought our concerns to this user about his excessive edits to arena/stadium/venue articles regarding the addition of lists of concert performances, although we haven't been quite strict about it. Perhaps it is an issue you should take up with him as it is one that currently

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One other thing about attendance figures...keep in mind that the configurations for different events prevent hockey and basketball from setting an attendance record as high as a concert, boxing, wrestling, etc. that doesn't require as much floor space...they can put in a lot more seats for such

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My comment actually wasn't really a reaction to that editor. What he did just prompted me to think about that. :-) But when the article gets a big face-lift, I think the history needs to be cleaned up and perhaps it can be re-written so that the wrestling events do not dominate. After all, the

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Can someone more skilled at editing than me please add in the history that in 2011, 2012 and 2013 the center hosted the League of Legends world championships final. I realize pro gaming may not be the most famous sport ATM but it is still a major event that attracts large crowds both live and

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This totally works! Thanks! I hear that they don’t have all the new signage up yet. I don’t know when that will be complete but when it is, hopefully we will have photos available to us with the new signage that can be included in the article. We just got to be patient, but we’ll get there.

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It seems the Los Angeles Avengers are now defunct. I added the word "formerly" before their inclusion on the list of currently hosted franchises, with the intention of a quick -- albeit temporary -- fix. I'm not sure if this devalidates the statement that it's the "only arena to host five

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There are WAY too many performers/events listed, especially in terms of pro wrestling. This article needs to be cleaned up in this area especially. There is no need to list so many event or performers to make it clear that Staples Center hosts many big events and big-name performers. --

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I'm new to this article, but after reading it I'm inclined to agree with Gmatsuda's concerns noted above. Sounds too much like a promo piece; too many AEG references; and the pro wrestling references should be pared down a bit. In terms of the latter, may I suggest the following:

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Whoops...actually, the citation problem is that all of them are from AEG, the owner of the arena. There are no citations from independent sources, even though it is a virtually certainty that they are available. I'll remove the citations missing tag, but this is a concern. --

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Wrestling is an important billion dollar industry with a long history and worldwide interest and notability. Add to that the wrestling gave this venue its biggest attendance ever for an event, these references should be here (hint; those wrestling wikilinks go somewhere).

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section. In addition to the venue having two different names over the past two decades, during the Olympics and Paralympics the venue will temporarily have a completely different name because apparently the sports venues can’t have a corporate name during the Olympics. --

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being "caught." Call me a conspiracy theorist, sure. But I've had a lot of experience in watching AEG as a freelance writer covering the LA Kings, so, as I said, it wouldn't surprise me. They do whatever they want if it's in their best interests and if no one is watching.

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So I hear that it won't be until the summer certain renovations will be done and I believe that includes the installation of the new signage. This means we may have to wait several more months before getting newer photos of the arena we can put up. We just got to wait.

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The notability of wrestling comes from the tickets to shows it sells at places like the staples center and the TV revinue generated and the coverage in the media. You obviously do not like wrestling, thats all well and good, but it is a notable part of world culture.

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good sources,, and current feelings of grief towards a highly-respected player. I have, however, added a paragraph in the 'History' section which refers to this phrase, which I believe is totally valid to put in. I would really like to see some pre-January 2020

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Do any of you live near the arena? If so it would be great if someone could get a new photo of the venue with the new signage up. All the photos on the page now say Staples Center, but if we can at least get a new one to put at the top that would be wonderful.

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Sockpuppet opinions don't mean much on Knowledge. Oh, the fact that WrestleMania 23 had more than 80,000 people and that WWE RAW (which has been on TV every week for the last 14 years) continues to get millions of viewers every week make it pretty notable.

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My doubt that AEG has contributed to the article in any form is in part confirmed by the fact that the IPs I've checked have been traced to locations outside of California (AEG is a Los Angeles based company) and in part by the fact that

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AEG has contributed to this article? I'm not trying to cause trouble...it's just that in its present form, the article reads like a publicity piece for the arena. That brings up suspicions about who has had a hand in writing it. --

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I moved the page and changed everything in this article. So all is good for the official changeover which is now 12 hours away according to my watch. I also made changes on other pages to reflect the name change. Hope this helps.

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I thought I'd just mention here that I have removed parts of the text in the section "The arena" as it was written like an advertisement. I do also have concerns that part of the "Future developments" section may violate

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This article reads like a press release for the arena in some sections and certainly has some problems with POV and is entirely unreferenced. Hope someone can work on this and bring it up to Knowledge standards. -

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I'm wondering if the Staples Center attendance record is 20,262 instead of 20,193 because on Februry 23, 2008 when the Lakers played the Clippers the attendance was 20,262, and the article says it's 20,193 from

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demonstrating that it was already a valid and commonly-used nickname. Additions of a 'nickname' to the infobox using sources following his death seem less reliable and more emotionally respectful, that's all.

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professional sport franchises," as I'm not really sure what we're including under that definition. If the NBA D-League team counts, then the statement still stands, otherwise it needs to be retracted.

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About the history section...there is one mention of most kinds of events held at Staples Center, with the exception of the wrestling events, of which there are six. That's a POV/balance problem to me. --

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New photo has been added! It is worth noting that the arena name has not been put onto the exterior of the arena yet. I'm not sure when that is happening but the current photo will do just fine for now.

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affects various articles. Now regarding your addition of concern templates to the article, I am going to remove two concern templates I feel have yet to be validly warranted based on your recent reply.

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The events listed in the History section should probably be pruned a bit. The Pac 10 hoops tournament is mentioned twice. We can delete one of the wrestling events as well, without taking away from the

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I think the number of camera positions is probably too specific to be encyclopedic. Further, the notes section should be eliminated and the items listed, if important, should be worked into the prose.

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This article comtinues to attract editors who insist on adding every performer/performance at Staples Center, when it should only highlight them. Good example is a recent edit by

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to this page) and to other pages that mention the venue, so that seems to be important right now to ensure articles don't get overly redundant with mentions of the prior name. --

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I AM TRYING TO FIND A LAYOUT OR A BLUEPRINT OF THE INSIDE OF A SPORTS ARENA AND I CANT FIND ONE ANYWHERE. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO FIND OUT WHAT THE INSIDES OF AN ARENA LOOKS LIKE?

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Can I just say that the comment "It is the only arena that is home to five professional sports franchises" is actually false and misleading. For example, in Australia, the

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a conflict of interest. These are all tags that I've added to this article before, I know, but nothing has been done to this article, IMHO, to warrant their removal. --

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in mind when editing. Even if this name change was essentially a "done deal" at the time of your edit, Knowledge articles should not attempt to look into the future.

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Please do not remove the Articleissues template from the article. There are several problems with this article. When those problems are resolved THEN remove it. --

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listed, is evidence of how unbalanced this article is, regardless of who is responsible for that. As such, I'm going to re-add the unbalanced tag. --

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Staples Center has also hosted many World Wrestling Entertainment events, including the attendance record-setting Wrestlemania 21 in 2005.

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Finally, I have been threatened to not edit this article further. Really have to question what's going on with this article. Jeez. --

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alone, let alone cricket, soccer and rugby. You may want to re-word that sentence so it doesn't completely mislead people. Cheers --

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If you can find a reliable source for the new record, then yes, please correct it and be sure to provide an inline citation. --

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events, so IMHO, that reduces (not eliminates) the notability of the wresting events in terms of setting attendance records. --

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that is up there, so this is why I feel that this is a reasonable compromise as relevant points have been made by both sides.--

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The JBA Los Angeles Ballers did not have a home arena, as with all JBA teams. his reference should be removed from the entry.

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See my user page for my last word on the pseudo-sport. If professional wrestling has become a "notable part of world culture",

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Totally disagree with the removal of the Articleissues template and the addition of more wrestling events to the list by

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As a result of all of the above, I've added the Multiple Issues template to the article, listing several concerns. --

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seems a little nit picky, but it's not technically Crypto.com Arena until midnight California time on December 25.--

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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As for the other problems with this article, they are still there. First of all, there are nowhere near enough

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The JBA Los Angeles (LA) Ballers tenant reference should be removed. JBA teams did not have home arenas.

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This article is NOT a list of every single perforner or event at Staples Center, nor should it be. --

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events) and arbitrarily removed the Articleissues template. I look forward to your improvements. --

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Why are the JBA, LA Ballers even listed in this article? And why are they listed as still active?

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