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good template that we can take advantage of in improving this article further. The first few places that need to be improved are the following: an
Overview section should be added at the beginning of the article that gives a brief synopsis of Survivor as a show, as well as any relevant information about the location or production of the season; the episode summaries should all be reviewed and given proper attention (I see that episode five doesn't have a summary at all as of now); and, if possible, some illustrations of the contestants or maybe the filming location should be added to better the article. Again, I think that this is definitely an article that we can work through, but I do see these as major issues right off the bat, before I even get into the more minor issues.
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The lead should be a bit more in-depth a summary. For example, Ethan ought to be specified to have won the cash prize of one million dollars in addition to the title. Furthermore, some information ought be included about the tribes the and the contestants divided into them. Again, I think looking at
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We are talking about challenges where the description of the task can be really long-winded. Sure, "hold your hand up for the longest", is quite easy to explain, but a multi-task challenge with a puzzle at the end would be a bit much to explain and then just say that X won. There's also usually two
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No drama. I actually prefer the plot summary to the episode list as survivor is a series that is much less about the individual episodes and more about how the tides turn over it. The current plot summary is less than 500, so if you are cool with it, I'll remove the info from the episode summaries.
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I notice that reading through all of the summaries, the winner of the season, Ethan, is barely mentioned at all. On one hand, I understand that Ethan wasn't the most strategic player on the season or even the one who was usually in the spotlight; on the other hand, it is an issue that if I had not
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has not edited for two months, I am taking over this GAN. I see that there was quite a bit of discussion about things like episode summaries but those seem to have been revolved, as have the other issues relating to quotes. Overall, this article passes all criteria and is an easy promote.
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I've done a couple replies. I think this pretty much boils down to whether or not we kill off the episode summaries. That would be my preferred way to deal with it - as individual episodes just give details on challenges and such, not really an overview.
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I wonder if the paragraph at the beginning of this section may not go better in the Overview section. It also might still be good to mention something about the jury, if we're mentioning the tribe swaps and
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I'll be finishing the review soon enough, but I want to make sure there's future clarity on how the season/episode summaries need to be handled. Once I look through the article again, I'll get back to you.
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for a season of any show needs to be focused on the specifics of that show as a whole, and not the individual pieces. Season summaries probably fulfill that role better than episode summaries.
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I definitely do see some grammar issues throughout the article that need to be improved. When I see minor issues, I'll fix them myself, but if anything larger comes up, I'll let you know!
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That's okay with me. I've seen you around the community enough to know you're pretty active, so I'll take your word that you'll be here to check in on things once you get the chance!
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having racist connotations. If there is sufficient information about that incident, particularly if it came up at all contemporary to the season, it should probably be included here.
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