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as he does in the Latin Church. Just because a person in charge has authority at different strata, the strata does not get mixed up into one. Authority of the pope as the head of the Roman/Latin
Catholic Church (appointment of bishops, legislations, doctrinal and liturgical promulgations etc.) is different from the authority he holds as the Head of the Catholic Church. For another example, the British Monarch is the head of the State of not just the United Kingdom, but also the entire fourteen Commonwealth Realms including Canada, Australia and the New Zealand. He can potentially exercise a wide range of authority, though almost always delegated to the respective Governor Generals. This simply does not mean that those are colonies or devoid of sovereign statehood. Similarly, the Pope enjoys universal jurisdiction throughout the Catholic Church Communion or denominational family. But almost all of the day to day administration of the ECCs (including appointment of bishops, administrators, regular legislations, liturgical promulgations etc.) is undertaken by their patriarchs, who act in their own capacity as 'Head of the Church' and not as some kind of a delegate of the pope. Denomination is not determined by who controls authority (especially outside the Catholic Church denominational family), but by the liturgy, culture, doctrine, spirituality, history and self-identification. The SMC identifies itself as a denomination, state authorities recognise it as such and the authoritative academic sources who study the SMC in detail also classifies it as a denomination. I just do not need to disregard these most important sources in favour of some old, western oriented (the problem is not the fact that these are western, but the inherent confusion they have over the Roman Catholic/Latin denomination with entire Catholic Church denominational family) and non-academic tertiary sources.
3665:(belonging to Anglican denominational family)) Denominational families and actual denominations are two different things. Denominational families are aggregates of similar denominations. These denominations can't be mistermed as national churches. Many of these have international jurisdiction and membership. Denomination is determined in terms of common doctrine, liturgy, culture and self-identification. With respect to the Syro-Malabar Church, its official website and governmental records calls it a denomination and there are a multitude of sources available in the public online field as well as academic and scholarly literature, all supporting the fact that the SMC is indeed a denomination and at the same time part of the Catholic Church denominational family. The entire discourse can be made simple with just one question asked, how would a member of the SMC self identify: as a Catholic or as a Syro Malabar Catholic? The answer is: as a Syro-Malabar Catholic. That's the entire point. Religiously and based on communion he is Catholic, but denominationally he is Syro-Malabar Catholic. His religion or denominational family is indeed headed by the pope, but he isn't part of the denomination which is liturgically, culturally and theologically headed by the pope.
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Orthodox also show similar datings. At the same time, it's also to be noted that there are some misconceptions in your comment above. Firstly, the STC is not a denomination or church, it is rather a people. Secondly, determining which is a denomination and which is not is yet to be precisely defined. The CC is one of the religious denominations in Christianity, so are the Oriental Orthodox and EO. But there exist another another method of classification where the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Georgian are considered distinctive denominations. In India, SMC is classified as a separate religious denomination within Christianity. Thirdly, the different dates are mentioned in different sources that are already provided. While I support a triad of dates (50âtraditional origin, 1552âConversion to Eastern Catholicism, 1887âModern structure), I am not in total disapproval of other dates (1599, 1662, 1663, 1896, 1923).
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culturally, liturgically and doctrinally. But the remaining 23 Eastern
Catholic Churches are distinct churches and denominations which, by recognising the pope as their overall leader, forms a denominational family called the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is unified by common religious faith, and most importantly the pope as overall leader. Meanwhile, each of the Eastern Catholic Churches is united within itself not just by common religious faith and overall leader, but also by common doctrine, culture, liturgy, spirituality and tradition. Hence the Latin and the Eastern Catholic Churches are denominations while the Catholic Church is their denominational family. For example, let's just look into the Syro-Malabar Church. The Syro-Malabar Church has a distinct religious liturgy very different from that used by the pope and the Roman Latin Catholic Church. SMC has its own theology and doctrine.
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Knowledge, wherein the Syro-Malabar Church is mentioned as a denomination. Thirdly, the SMC's own OFFICIAL WEBSITE too holds itself to he a denomination. This makes all your arguments as baseless as a house of cards, especially taking your own edits and masquerading those as result of consensus. If you genuinely want to change the existing Knowledge consensus and list the Catholic Church as a denomination instead of Christian tradition/denominational family and the SMC as a non-denomination instead of the present status of denomination, you should first discuss on relevant articles and spaces elsewhere where you would get better visibility and make corresponding changes in the consensus. If you do so, you can potentially change this article in the similar fashion. But until then, the SMC will remain a denomination, no matter what your POV is.
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the Roman pontiff. I have not found any source that says that it is a loose coalition of 24 completely independent denominations. Do you have any authoritative source that says so? Even for the
Eastern Catholic Churches the Pope is the ultimate authority. The patriarchs and major archbishops of Eastern Catholic Churches are of lower rank and subordinate to the Pope. Unfortunately, there seems to be a some confusion on this topic that reflects in available sources, because of which anyone can find sources to support their point of view. Personally, I feel that this discussion needs to take place in a different forum with more visibility. We cannot change the meaning of Christian denomination based on the notions of two or three editors. If you are able to gain consensus in your favour, I'll accept it.--
2240:. All other Eastern Catholic Church articles currently follow these. The Maronite Church doesn't have Catholic in the article title because there's no ambiguity in its title. Similarly the article title Syro-Malabar Church is unambiguous. The Latin Church, is not be Eastern Catholic but, still it is one one of the twenty-four Sui Iuris Churches. It doesn't have a 'catholic' in its title because it is also clearly unambiguous. There is no Maronite Orthodox Church, Latin Orthodox Church or Syro-Malabar Orthodox Church. But this not the the case with the other Eastern Churches which have Orthodox counterparts. Apart from this the Syro-Malabar Church's official
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Catholic Church" is in common use and arguably a necessary disambiguation. When a source uses both, it's like how most reliable sources will not repeat a person's full name over and overâKnowledge does the same. In the article's prose (not its name), for the sanity of the reader, its probably best to defer to "Syro-Malabar Church" on second usage. Not clear what you're trying to say with your "official" comment, but a graphical representation of Annuario Pontifico data isn't the same thing as the text itself. ~ 18:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
2119:. This violates the clear naming convention of "X Catholic Church". COMMONNAME is not a valid argument for making the encyclopedia harder to use, especially since anyone typing the proposed name will get here already. What's more, some of the provided sources are internal Catholic resources that don't need to say "Catholic" because it's assumed. You might as well argue that Catholic dioceses should just be titled "Diocese of X" because internal Catholic documents call them that, when the reason is simply that they don't typically talk about non-Catholic dioceses.
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constitute a church, and are properly called the "Syro-Malabar Church". They are more specically organized as a major archdiocese, so they are also properly called the "Syro-Malabar Major
Archepiscopal Church". Both names are fully accurate, and may be registered as legal or "official" in various contexts. I don't think you will find an official name defined by canon law, only canonical recognition of the group by describing it with varying levels of specificity due to context. â
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3505:. A denomination, as the Knowledge definition states isn't a religious term. It is a secular and neutral term that is frequently used as a misnomer. In the context of Christian religion, a denomination is a family of many similar individual/national/particular churches that are bound together historically, though doctrine, organization, leadership and several other aspects. The
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Sixteenth century date and Perczel gives 1887. Meanwhile I totally disagree with the 1662 date due to a number of reasons, first of which is that it's simply incorrect.
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is partially untrue. The pope simply cannot impose his decisions in every field. The bishops are to be appointed by the
Patriarch and the Patriarch is the supreme authority on liturgy. That does not mean that pope is devoid of his powers, the pope simply do not have that extend of powers in the ECC's
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to define the concept. According to these sources, the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Anglicanism, Lutheranism, Methodism, Baptist, Presbyterianism, Pentecostalism etc. are major Christian denominations. Most importantly, the Roman Catholic Church is one single denomination headed by
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is the supreme head. In other words, there may be tens of thousands of individual churches, but only a handful of denominations. I agree that the distinctions between a denomination and an individual/national/particular church is blurred to many people and there are many resources including Knowledge
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Knowledge has a tendency to ignore legal definitions like this, especially when they directly contradict scholarly accepted definitions. You're attempting to POV-push, utilizing local definitions extrapolated to a global context. If you want to challenge the precedent set over a decade ago, give it a
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Obviously each of the ECCs is a distinct denomination. Maronites, Melkite catholics, Coptic catholics, Ukranian Greek catholics, Syro-Malabarese, Syro-Malankarese and so on. They are Catholic Christian in religion. The SMC officially calls itself a denomination and the state legally accepts it's self
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Here, the SMC satisfies all the criteria, (1) it is within Christianity, (2) it is comprised of congregations (parishes/dioceses/provinces), (3) well it has its own distinctive name, (4) it has distinct history from that of the CC, (5) it has a well defined organisation, (6) it has its own leadership
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The only date that you have provided a source for something being established or founded is for the date of 1887. Also, no, that is not how denominations workâyou would need a very good source to verify that very unusual statement. I am going to correct your errors from your last edit and move to the
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applies. We don't need to be extremely precise in naming an article. You have already accepted that Syro-Malabar Church is equivalent to Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. You have also admitted that the shorter title is more common and you haven't argued for an ambiguity in the title. I think the dispute
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It is evident that the 'Syro-Malabar Church' is the shorter proper name, hence it explains why it is more common. The full name 'Syro-Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church' is used by the Vatican only in association with the Synod because that is the only case that officially involves the Vatican. The
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The SMC has already been listed as a denomination in numerous Knowledge articles and your disapproval or another random user, who wakes up from their long slumber just inorder to put a disapproval is not going to change this fact. And stop putting your words into my mouth. What I have said is what I
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What I understand as your pov is that you recognise the Catholic Church as a denomination and the various Eastern Catholic Churches, in your view, are simply subgroups. Well I don't agree with that pov. Numerous sources in the article proves that the SMC is a denomination. Similarly each of the ECCs
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Do you have a source that uses any of the dates other than the ones that existed before your modifications to the article and 1887? Any dates that explicitly say "the Syro-Malabar Church began in X year"? Otherwise, the only dates worth considering are those you removed and 1887 (we could also leave
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Three of the parties involved in the last discussion were socks, which you understand is someone using multiple IPs or accounts to manipulate discussion. You seem to have cherry-picked your own preferred dates here (and used errant terminology and MOS in your repeated reversions). Please demonstrate
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That is such a ridiculous argument. Actually your argument mostly applies better to your own POV edits, given the official website, online sources provided here and multitude of sources yet to be included, all supporting my argument. You are unilaterally pushing your POV, which would have been okay
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I don't need to prove anything of this sort. The church website clearly says that it is a denomination and the state authorities legally accepts it's self designation. Individual opinion, let it be yours or mine, cannot change what's given in the official records and websites. There is nothing more
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50/52 AD is a traditional date claimed all Saint Thomas Christian denominations. So removing it from here alone does not make any sense unless there's a broader discussion concerning all the STC denominations. Most of sources given here provide the traditional date too. The articles of the Catholic
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for reference, were the Syro-Malabar Church has been already listed as a denomination. If you are looking outside for reliable sources, the tertiary sources are of much less value compared to academic secondary sources such as the Syriac World (2019), an extremely important reliable source used as
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Again, barring something that firmly demonstrates that this isn't simply a fluke of nomenclature as used in India, you will need consensus in your favor to overturn the preexisting consensus. Given that the Catholic Church is consistently listed as a denomination across over a thousand articles, I
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The only date that is supported by either of these quotes is 1887. Literally the only date that would qualify is 1887. You should remove all the others. That is it. 50 AD is for Saint Thomas Christianâs (a broader body that is not the Syro-Malabar Church). 1552 is the communion of a portion of the
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I haven't seen the Malabar Independent Syrian Church ever being referred to as the Syro-Malabar Church. Thozhiyur Church is the name by which it is known and the church itself is very small that it is mostly not notable. Most sources available online and their readers haven't found an ambiguity in
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I am just following the OFFICIAL WEBSITE of the church and official records. I don't have any problem if you wish to continue dictating in a fantasy world. The Catholic Church, as I have already said, is a denominational family led by the Pope. The Latin Church or the Roman Catholic Church is the
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is a condemned heretic in the RC Church but he is a venerated saint in the SMC and one of the liturgical prayers is named after him. Rosary, unleavened bread, clerical celibacy are other unique features of the RCC which the ECCs do not follow. For a Western reader, Catholic and Roman Catholic are
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I don't feel it's necessary, on the contrary I find my view totally agreeing with existing Knowledge consensus and style. Catholicism is a religion and the Catholic Church is a denominational family (ecclesiastically, communion) just like the Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and/or Protestant.
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and sources, none of which you have been able to provide till now. I think you yourself is the said scholar and sources, if I must guess. Meanwhile catholic historian and orientalist Dietmar Winkler also classifies the SMC as a denomination in the Syriac World (2018). I opt to follow the official
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Superior sources in your opinion. In my opinion they are either Catholic pov sources or tertiary sources with the authors having little or no expertise on the SMC history. On the other hand, I favour sources like Perczel and Brock who are universally accepted experts on Syro-Malabar Christianity.
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I think it is a mistake to think a church has an "official" name in the Catholic sense. A church is particular to a specific group, and it is the group that has canonical recognition. How the group is addressed is a secondary matter. In this context, the group is the Syro-Malabar community. They
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See, if a Christian body is united by a single leader and hierarchy that can (and does) act across all portions of the church , that's a single denomination. The pope can impose decisions upon the Syro-Malabar (something the Archbishop of Canterbury can't do to the Episcopal Church in the United
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and all available media outlets use simply the 'Syro-Malabar Church' as its primary name. If they and most of the secular sources available use a terminology, there's no need for Knowledge activism in it anyway to change it. Interesting fact is that the article title remained Syro-Malabar Church
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being the article names. I'm not arguing whether Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is official name. Both are used in any source. I have yet to see what is considered an "official" source. Annuario Pontifico English source that came from 2017 being one of them. Common names are preferred for article
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This is about the title of the synod. Considering the 2003 legal document renders it as both names while the press releases from the curia and secondary sources all give the official name as "Syro-Malabar Church" or "Syro-Malabar Catholic Church", this evidently isn't the official name. You've
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In the draft of the Statutes published in Synodal News (No. 2, February 1994, pp. 53-67) as well as in the final copy sent to the members of the synod the name of the Syro-Malabar Church was given as Church of St. Thomas Christians (CTC) because there was a proposal to make such a change (cfr.
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The underlying issue within the dispute is the fact that I have direct working knowledge on the topic but you don't. You entirely rely on Catholic tertiary sources accessible for you and that's why you are getting easily misled by these handful of tertiary sources. None of the sources that you
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The SM Church's communion (or merger) with the Catholic Church occured in the sixteenth century after the Schism of 1552 in the COE. I intend to speak on the basis of the books which have described in detail about that church. Synod of Diamper in 1599 led to the merger of the SMC with RC latin
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Although I totally understand what you are saying, I cannot agree wholly with it. First of all you need to distinguish between denominational family and individual denomination. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church or the Latin Catholic Church is a denominational led by the pope, spiritually,
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Nope. In the first place, the stable name which has remained for the most of the time after the previous discussions is the Syro-Malabar Church. It is the COMMONNAME according to general and official usage. Discussions and consensus cannot be overturned unilaterally. In any case, counting the
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I recommend looking at what reliable sources say. These tools produce obviously inaccurate readings with regularity (I can manipulate the tool to claim that "Malabar Church" is the most common name for this church with some ease) and themselves are not reliable. Here, reliable news reporting,
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led to the current name, which existed unchallenged for months except by the same IP editor that has been the only editor to join you in support of your move. There is more extant support for the current name than for the move. Sorry, but you can't count !votes from a 3.5-year-old overturned
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That comparison with Maronite is incorrect because "Maronite Catholic Church" is not the official name and, as such, wouldn't be seen anywhere. Again, this Google tool is really bad are picking up differences in frequency when we're talking about such marginal topics. Additionally, there's a
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etc. are purely religious or ecclesiastical terminologies which cannot be applied generally. The secular and general terms in use are religion, denominational family and denomination. Here the religion is Christianity, denominational family is the Catholic Church and the denomination is the
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Synod of Bishops does the election of bishops and decide on the liturgy which then has to be confirmed by the Pope. Meanwhile you can read the full name being used in association with almost all aspects and organs of the church in its Particular laws provide above (nearly all articles).
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synonymous, but it's not the case in places where Eastern Catholic Churches are present. This differentiation is more profound in the case of the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches, the Church of the East, and many Anglican Churches, like the Church of England and Marthoma Church.
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whether eparchial, titular or emeritus, constitutedinside or outside the territorial limits of the Syro-Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church, Art. 9 - The eparchial bishop shall celebrate Holy Qurbana for the people of the eparchy entrusted to him on all days of obligation of the
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These rationales were raised in the discussion immediately above this one, and it returned a "no move". Picking up a dispute that was carried on by an IP during the duration of your sock block does not look great (neither does moving the page without consensus). I recommend
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4360:, The 'Syro-Malabar Church' is obviously the common name. There's no doubt about this fact. But the official full name according to the particular law, vatican documents and the church's official press releases is explicitly Syro-Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church.
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That's a ridiculous comparison. The SJ isn't a denomination because it is simply a religious monastic organisation. No one is born into it. And, I am not making a brand new definition, it is already given in Knowledge. I think you thoroughly require an orientation
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PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMISSION Archbishop Andrews Thazhath Chairman Archbishop Joseph Pamplasy Member Bishop Thomas Tharayil Coneenice Bishop Remigiose Inchananiyil Member Bishop Thomas Chakiath Man Fr. Abraham Kavilpurayidathl Secretary Fr. James Kokkuvayall Ast
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the title 'Syro-Malabar Church' that it exclusively refers to the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. Most secular online sources unanimously use the term Syro-Malabar Church. I'm not here to discuss which title is official and which is isn't. I'm talking about
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The Orthodox churches are irrelevant here, Latin Church is irrelevant because it's not an Eastern Catholic church, and Maronite Church is suspect. Everything else is X Catholic Church. When you have one or two exceptions to a rule, the solution is to
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I encouraged you to open a discussion elsewhere six days ago. I selected the forum with the highest likelihood of expert editors participation. Thus far, three editors have disagreed with you. So, I'd say we should follow the consensus, too. ~
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This conversation appears to be a misunderstanding of what this RfC is about. It's not about the article's name, it's about whether sources indicate that "Syro-Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church" is the church's official name (they don't). ~
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From the above official documents, including the particular laws of the Church, it is clear that the longer is indeed the official name. It is associated with the church's current juridical and canonical status of being a major archiepiscopal
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churchâthat is objectively true. Claims they are a denomination are marginal and contradictory. Barring any further support for this solitary attempt to subvert longstanding and widespread consensus, the previous norm should be restored. ~
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In the similar fashion I can reciprocate by putting a warning on your talk page too. But I am not into it as it's not going to solve the dispute. Let a third uninvolved editor evaluate the discussion and edits and issue warning if proper.
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Roman Catholicism is listed as a âtraditionâ because wikipedia is a secular source. Polish National Church or Old Catholic Churches are an example. These churches do not accept the primacy of the pope but keep liturgical aspects.
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Both these names are simultaneously proper to the church. The commonly used name is obviously the shorter 'Syro-Malabar Church'. However, the official full name is 'Syro-Malabar Major Archiepiscopal Church' as you can see in the
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is as much autonomy as an autocephalous church. Interesting, but not true. Anyhow, you again failed to get support here and found two editors who actively disagreed. Let it go or find somewhere else to take it up. ~
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Church of the East with the Catholic Church (not even explicitly mentioned in either source above). 1599 is also not mentioned. Also, the Syro-Malabar Church is not a denominationâit's part of the Catholic Church. ~
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Mount St. Thomas, P.B. No. 3110, P.O. Kakkanad, Kochi - 682 030, Kerala, India Tel: (0484) 2424780, 2424768, 2426235, 2428271 (Dir); Fax: (0484) 2422727 Email: majorarchbishop@gmail.com, chancellor.mount@gmail.com
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Since you seem convinced that you have stumbled across something with consequences for hundreds of articles, why don't you make note of this at a relevant noticeboard and start a relevant discussion
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by making them consistent (or to demonstrate why they're good exceptions), not to make the situation worse by moving other pages when there's no good reason.
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mentioned 74 times altogether. The shorter, more common title Syro-Malabar Church is mentioned even more. But your fantasy
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Further, let's look at the Syro-Malabar Church's most recent press releases:
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By that logic, I think 'Syro-Malabar Church' should be the article title.
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Part 2 clause 1: The sources of the present Code of Particular Law of the
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Cardinal Mar George Alencherry, the head of Kerala's prominent Christian
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for the major Oriental Catholic group of indigenous Christians in India.
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for the major Oriental Catholic group of indigenous Christians in India.
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Could not the same be said for the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church and the
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Church". These documents are also more official and in regular usage. ~
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The name of the synod of bishops shall be: The Synod of Bishops of the
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Why are you unwilling to raise this elsewhere, considering every other
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and making errant claims to fit the Syro-Malabar Church within it (see
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and the multitude of non-church sources primarily use this terminology.
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church is its own denomination, or that it's just the Syro-Malabar? ~
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Well, these are some webpages which I found in a brief online search.
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Numerous sources in the article proves that the SMC is a denomination
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and most other sources available online uses only the shorter title.
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All circulars published by the church since at least January 2023 (
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Read the press releases I linked again. Read them again. They say
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Do you want further source quotations. I can do so if you insist.
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etc. (all being part of Eastern Orthodox denominational family),
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articles that wrongly call an individual church a denomination.--
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fails to verify the claim that it is used by the Syro-Malabar. ~
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is also at times referred to as Syro-Malankara (Orthodox) Church
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were actually put by you yourself very recently as proven from
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the holy communion of two souls in the traditional way of this
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why your preferred dating arrangement is what we should use. ~
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church. It can be compared to names of other churches such as
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At the same time I totally disagree with you on your comment "
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in its descriptions, with the former by far the most common.
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etc. (All being Oriental Orthodox in denominational family),
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The most recent prior discussion favored the current name. ~
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The Syro-Malabar Public Affairs Commission Letter head says:
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Huh, I sense a theme. Oh, hey, look, the 2nd edition of the
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please understand a broader consensus would be necessary. ~
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distinctive denomination led by the pope. The words such as
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The evidence is quite clear that legally and officially,
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and keep Syro-Malabar Catholic Church in the first line.
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Christianity can be taxonomically divided into six main
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where it would have been visible to a larger audience.
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The discussion is to be done here, NOT in my talkpage.
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Already provided in the article with inline citations.
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Knowledge already agrees, no matter what your POV is.
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anyone can find sources to support their point of view
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I understand your viewpoint. Let me cite two sources (
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has been in continuous official use since the 1950s.
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as they were also involved in the previous consesus.
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The Syro-Malabar Media Commission Letter head says:
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The pope can impose decisions upon the Syro-Malabar
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