1403:(Reset indent) Well, this seems to be getting muddier rather than clearer. I will continue to try to assume good faith on everyone's part, but I must admit that I had just a slight concern about vested interests and POV, and it seems to me that this subject might be affected by that. From my perspective, I know little of Ukraine's history other than its place in the former Soviet Union and – from my own interest – its place in the military history of WW2, so I'm not too familiar with the finer points of the current language situation. I'd like to get an outside expert's view of this, but I doubt if that would be easy to find at this time. Hillock65 does appear to have a quite sound argument, but Kuban Cossack's arguments appear to be sound as well. That said, I don't think that a source from prior to independence is necessarily going to be a fair reflection of the current situation. I still have my concerns about the sensitivity of a debate about the status of Ukraine's languages. Hillock65's point that referred to Hungarian as an example is quite compelling, because that demonstrates that we are not talking about a dual-language country, but a multi-language country. I can see serious practical issues with including a version of each station's name in each and every language, partly for practicality, but also because that is wide open to continued debate about what languages to include and which articles should mention them. I have learned from past experience that an all-or-nothing approach can be a blunt but effective solution in this situation, whereby you either list all relevant languages on all articles or none at all. That relates also to the point I made earlier about consistency (which tends to bring with it a better degree of fairness). I cannot really make an all-out recommendation to remove references to Russian names from the affected articles, but I will point out that the deciding factor in an all-or-nothing consistent approach is which choice is likely to cause the least offense to interested parties (not just us editors, but the casual readers as well): having the names in all relevant languages or just in Ukrainian? What are your thoughts on that?
385:(as of me writing this) to improve the articles, disrupt otAer peoples' work. Please wikipedia is not going to adjust to your personal tastes, irrespective of how strong you feel about this (and you did manage to pick one ridiculous point to be feeling strong about). Now I am going to restore the Russian name, if you want it to be removed start an official process, although really there are things in wikipedia on which time can be better spent on. --
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Russian names say anything? Also attacking Ukraine? Where have I attacked it? However as offensive as you mind find putting in a language that all of Kiev speaks, (even though it breaks Ukrainian law, which strictly speaking is not applicable to wikipedia), I find that puny compared to the people, who driven by their in-superiority complexes, who wrote
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Los Angeles has a huge hispanic population. The only difference is that English doesn't have an official status in the U.S., while Ukrainian has official status in Ukraine. Now if Knowledge accepts a de-facto national language, why should it have trouble accepting an official national language? —
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Looking over internet, there are websites that feature Kiev metro in Russian language, with station names translated or transliterated into Russian. (A related question is: If Russian name of Ukrainian metro station is given in the English wikipedia, which Russian name should it be? For example,
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Correction on Hillock's statement there are a few flaws. First of all six cities in Ukraine gave Russian a special status in the course of the past year alone (Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa and Sevastopol), as well as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea has Russian as one of three official
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A dispute is resolved when all parties have had their chance to contribute, just because I saw article later than you does not mean that I was not entitled to edit it the way I pleased. More over of the five edits you made, all were nothing but removal of the half a line of text, I actually
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I don't want arguments, I want solutions, Adrian suggested all or none. I am happy with either one, clearly for whatever personal reasons (jealousy towards Russians for being cooler???) you are not happy with the first one. Therefore I am offering you to purge both versions.
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Well, having them all in Ukrainian wouldn't be such a huge step backward. The official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian, but Ukrainian is similar enough to Russian so that a Russian looking at the article could tell that the station/line is in fact the same. —
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True, Russian is recognized as one that dominates Kiev. Which why it needs no special status, proving invincible to Ukrainization we can only strengthen its position, unless of course you have political nationalist sentiments which drive you in removing it.
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That is speculation. Let it remain de-linked for now, until we actually see concepts for the station. As far as I know, it could be called Vokzalna III, there will be three Vokzalna transfers, one from the fourth surface line on the right bank. —
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I'm a Russian-speaking Ukrainian myself, and I don't see what the big deal with this dispute is. Ukrainian is the official language of Ukraine, period. There are too many other minority languages to be mentioned elsewhere. —
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Thanks for returning it, also Vokzalnaya II is described separately for now, as to the best of my knowledge there will not be a cross-platform transfer on it, thus it is necessary to have a separate article for the station.
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Well if you just accepted an extra half a line it would not have begun, I think the majority of people who read this do not read it for the Ukrainian language or the Russian in the lead, but for the context of the article.
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Kiev speaks Russian, so good for it. However Russian is not the official language of Ukraine and therefore this line never had an official Russian name. And quit attacking Ukraine, some people might find it offensive. —
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I never said or even thought that. I said that Knowledge recognizes de-facto languages of countries, so that means it also recognizes official languages. Which means Russian has no place in the article. —
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This can happen and there are several examples in post-Soviet space of it occuring, however they will be two separate stations, only cross-platform transfers should be described as one article. --
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I could not care less what happens in Los Angeles. The point is that the press, the people, official bodies use that name. It is not one that is irrelevant to the city or to the metro. --
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And the point of having the Russian name in the article is..? I don't see the point. It is almost the equivalent of putting Spanish names for every subway station in Los Angeles. —
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But it does mean this: if Russian was the primary language of Kiev, then the Russian site would be developed first. There goes your statement about Kiev only speaking Russian. —
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been agreed upon), you will get blocked. It is pointless. There was consensus (divided by a line above), and then you came along and decided to change it against consensus. —
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as of yet, chose to contest that. The Kiev Metro map (which I drew) also has a Russian name underneath its main Ukrainian one, including on the stations for this one.
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I think the page should be renamed to "Podilsko-Vygurivska" as in Ukrainian it is written "Подільсько-Виґурівська" and it comes from "Виґурівщина". Thanks --
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I will accept this disputed revision only after consensus was reached on it. Until then, the version on which consensus was reached should be used. —
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And that has official status how? One Russian-speaking engineer, big deal. As for the wall, maybe it's still there, but it's just one station. —
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