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direct attention to some part of the text ; (b) a character similar to (a), but placed in the text itself ; (c) the division of discourse introduced by a paragraph mark or by indentation, and extending to the next paragraph mark or the next indentation ; (d) the rhetorical paragraph, that is, (c) developed to a structural unit capable of organic internal arrangement."
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understand that for the purpose of setting a standard use for a paragraph people may want offer a set of generalised rules(generally, or most often accurate descriptions), but the rules are just this - generalised. I suspect that this is quite a difficult topic to produce a set of definitions or terms that will please everyone. Best
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I'm writing a book, and I plan to publish it someday. Now, I read on the internet that before you publish the book, you have to convert it to something else. (I forgot the name, but you go to a certain site and it does it for you.), then print it. Well, does this formatting thing automatically indent
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Although an American in my 60's, I've never indented the first paragraph in a section; for the section mark (a blank line) will almost always be followed by a paragraph. This should be in American stye manuals. Also, though five space indentations were used with double-spaced typescript, and carried
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Do other languages have the same conventions for what makes up a paragraph? In other words, are paragraphs a form of organization determined by English convention, or are they an expression of the universal way the human mind organizes information? A section on the history of paragraphs, as suggested
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Published books, especially novels and prose fiction, use a typographic device to separate certain paragraphs further where there is a narrative break or change of scene. Extra vertical space is added, typically containing an asterisk, three asterisks, a special stylistic dingbat, or a special symbol
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Thanks Hippietrail. Essentially yes, most published books (novels and prose fiction in particular) use asterisms to indicate a narrative break or change of scene. The only quibble I have is with the phrase "most". Its a bit weasley, and would be better off as simply "published books use...". Here's a
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There were other ways to accomplish the same thing, though. Recipes are exactly the sort of self-contained units that need to be separated, so careful writers ended them with a conventional phrase -- perhaps a "micro-colophon" -- such as "and it comes out excellently, God willing" or "eat it in good
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A little background. I was discussing an email from a coworker and referred to the second paragraph. In this case I used a blank line to delineate the paragraphs. My coworker immediately went to what I considered the third sentence of the first paragraph. The previous sentence ended at the right
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Thanks for your comments Arbo. In fact I just found the term yesterday via Google and Knowledge (XXG) after wondering for years what the things are. I'm still fuzzy on whether "asterism" refers to a) the symbol, b) the extra space separating some paragraphs, c) the sections or subchapters formed by
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I had a quick look in a few novels lying about in various languages. My French Harry Potter uses blank lines with no symbol, no doubt in the same places as the English original. Doesn't indicate whether these are used in native French titles. Of 3 Spanish books, 2 never use an extra blank line or
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I believe that the below not only should help with the history, but also address the global context of the word (in English, paragraph has been narrowly defined by grade school writing assignments). "Historically considered, the word paragraph means (a) a marginal character or note employed to
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I edited the "Structure" paragraph (at 10:50 on 11/30/07), but I wasn't logged in at the time (darn cookies). I corrected what amounted to a combination of prescriptivism and contradictory redundancy (note this is not a criticism of the editors who have worked on this page; it's natural for a
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such, d) the practice of doing this, e) is there a special term when extra division occurs at a page boundary, f) if a special symbol is only used when the division occurs at a page boundary will this be called an asterism whereas those division mid-page will go by some other term or no term.
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Hi all, is it quite right to state that a paragraph is generally between three to seven sentences? If you read some of the work produced in the New Journalism/Beatnick style of 60's and 70's america (Kerouac, H.S. Thompson, W. Borroughs), you would find that such rules often do not apply. I
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Hello, I was just browsing and noticed that citation #2 ("A paragraph consists of one or more sentences.") now leads to a 404 page. I figure someone who monitors or edits this wiki entry and/or has better knowledge of Knowledge (XXG)'s citation rules can take care of it. :)
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I appreciate the addition and value it, but the problem we're now facing is the Paragraph article is drifting into typography. Same applies to the section on HTML paragraphs---that's a technical typesetting thing, not literary, and also belongs in Typesetting or
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If anyone can track down reliable sources for these claims, that would help fill out this article. We might also have some luck looking at machine translations of Knowledge (XXG) articles in other languages, or at primary documents for good examples. --
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One detail (presently needing a citation) states that indented paragraphs, rather than blocked, are preferred in almost all genres. It seems to be a bit of an oversight not to note that almost all electronic media prefer block paragraphs.
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and post on the General Discussions forum. Ask for book typographers to answer the question, as graphic designers, typographers working in graphic design and typeface designers aren't neccessarily experts on this (some are, some are
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margin and the new sentence/paragraph started at the left margin. My coworkers position was that a new line was used. I however, cannot see any positive indication that this is simply not a continuation of the paragraph.
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There's nothing about history in this article. When was the paragraph invented, and by whom? I seem to recall it was invented rather late... I looked at this article to find out more and was disappointed to find nothing.
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I'm inserting the word "print" to distinguish, but I don't think that solves the entirety of the problem. Really, there should be another section on electronic media to explain this difference of style between the media.
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symbol anywhere, the 3rd does use them and uses a custom symbol whether at page-end or mid-page. There seem to be many variations and I do not know if any have peculiar names in the publishing or printing jargon etc. —
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An oddity, but the section "Indenting" seems to refer only to print media, which is misleading, because it isn't indicated. The information that follows applies only to print media and includes some unusual cases.
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define an asterism as the typographic symbol----the three asterisks. The white space and text before and after the asterism doesn't have a special name, and I've never heard of names for special cases (e) +
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What are “keyboarders” and “typists”? "Keyboarder" sounds like slang to me. What's the significance of mentioning them? These terms need more explanation, or replacement with more meaningful words.
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Since I see no mention in the article yet, I'm going to add what I've been able to learn about asterisms to separate paragraphs. My knowledge is very shallow so I hope people will correct it. —
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Your conditional "especially when co-ocurring at a page break" complicates the description, and is an optional detail readers can pursue in either Typography or Typesetting, if we put it there.
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That's fine. I can't discuss the other terms on their own pages until I know what the other terms are. We can ramble in the talk page but not in the article (-: Thanks for your help. —
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over to word processed text, three spaces are more common. Rarely, people indent to make a clear space the shape of a square or the shape of a capital H in the paragraph font.
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On second thought maybe your Asterisms bit does belong in Paragraph. Leave it in (it can't hurt too much for the moment), update it with my cleaned-up version or your own.
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Me too! When was the paragraph invented? By whom is probably not known, but there probably was some first occurrence of paragraphs in western hand printing. ... said:
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use to be several kinds of jobs when typewriters were still primarily used. The term is still often used for certain jobs despite typewriters no longer being used. —
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interested in improving Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of content related to the fields of rhetoric, composition, technical communication, literacy, and language studies.
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paragraph that's been worked on by dozens of people to develop eccentricities). If anyone has any comments or would like to discuss I'd be happy to hear from you.
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I cannot make a recommendation as to how to clarify this intro paragraph but would like to be able to look at the article and get the clarification we needed. --
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Turning to Knowledge (XXG) to settle a question about paragraphs, we are unable to reach a concensus. Copied below is the first paragraph of the article
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Technically a break with no asterism symbol is not an asterism. Book typographers refer to that treatment as simply a "break" or "section break".
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This is drifting further into typography. If we add specific details about asterisms we're really talking about the typography of asterisms :^)
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enuff not to be a stub any more? Some of the ideas need rephrasing to make them clearer. Paraphrasing will make the narrative more convincing.
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it for you? Or do I have to indent it myself? Also, on OpenOffice, is Default formatting okay to use? Or should I use text body?
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There is a second, commonly used kind of asterism----a manual asterism, consisting of three asterisks spaced apart on one line.
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So is a break containing the symbol also an asterism? Your wording above makes it seem so but the defs make it seem otherwise.
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More examples of paragraphs in action please. Edgar Allen Poe regularly wrote paragraphs that ran for more than one page.
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One issue is what is a new line? Another is we are unclear as to what "ending without running to the next passage".
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So what is a new line defined as. Also what is "indented without beginning a new line"? What does this look like.
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Just the symbol is the asterism. A break without the symbol is not an asterism, just a break or section break.----
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To find out the names of the many variations (if they do have names) in publishing or printing jargon, visit
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As it stands its disjointed and lacking direction and focus. From an mature person's POV it's salad days.
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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Classical Arabic didn't have paragraphs, but modern does, starting in the 1900s; one writes:
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This "short sentences, and 3-7 of them per paragraph" thingy is particularly English. --
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Thanks. I've created an account. Now I just need to find where to post my question. —
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marks the end of a paragraph. The paragraph consists of at least three sentences."
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100% correct. Not an annoying question at all :^) Feel free to ask more questions.
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a symbol is also not an asterism, only the symbol itself is an asterism. Right? —
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What is order of importance in logical order?? need it for homework...hehe...
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Let me just make this 100% clear since there is still ambiguity: a break
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Yes I tried to cover this when I said "..., three asterisks, ...". —
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marks the beginning of a paragraph, and the closing tag </p: -->
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Could s.o. add a paragraph on "use in law". (pun intended :-)
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Insufficient documentation (lack of source citations)
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