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editorialising in this article, instead of stating of the facts, and, unfortunately, the editorial/opinion phrases are not even supported by references. Overall, this article feels more like an advert for the advantages of a platinum print, to be given to a prospective buyer, than a serious and factual reference on what a platinum print is.
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This is a good article, and it would benefit from being more factually precise in places where it currently refers to unverifiable statements, statements about illusions (rather than facts) and somewhat effusive artistic feelings, making those sound as if they were a factual, absolute statement. For
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The best I was able to find in support of this statement was from a book titled Coming Into Focus: A Step-by-Step Guide to
Alternative Photographic Printing page 13 which itself references an obscure Willis and Clements advertisement (which i found here in the original journal from 1921) promoting
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needs to be clear about the durability of the paper on which the print has been made. There are few examples of paper that has lasted thousands of years, not to speak of prints made on them. I would suggest that this statement should be toned down, and the quoted reference ought to emphasize, or at
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I would suggest that either no reference is made to "unobtainable" tones, unless the author of that statement, or someone else, can specify what tones exactly are unobtainable and can quote a reputable source. Alternatively, it might be better to replace the entire statement with the verbatim quote
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Another advantage of this process is that a conservator can clean a print with paper stains (the paper can become stained, foxing for example) by processing the print to remove stains or overall discoloration. The image itself should not become weakened by this type of restoration. Provided the
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Platinum prints or
Platinum Palladium prints - this is the most popular printing method due to high price of Platinum, will not corrode in the same way a silver print will. They are also impervious to the majority of chemical reactions occurring in every day situations, strong UV sunlight for
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Much of the content of this article seems useful to me and rings true, however the overall tone is much more like a school essay, or perhaps a section of a book on alternative photography or photographic history, in either case filled with an author's opinions. There is much of unnecessary
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The lead section of this article seems too long in comparison to the rest, and it jumps straight into mentioning the proposed advantages of a platinum print, rather than summarising the sections. It needs to be more succinct, less editorial and more factual.
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My conclusion is that this advertisement does not constitute a quality reference for the factual accuracy of this statement and I am removing this statement from the article after having failed to prove the accuracy of the statement.
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In opposition further; this reference from Getty Images nor this extensively detailed technical analysis from NASA makes no differentiation in tonal ranges of types being better or worse, only different.
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It is claimed that carbon prints are even more durable—I am not in position to know which is more durable, but the making of such a strong statement without any references is likely to mislead readers.
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Overall, it might be good to rewrite this article, but if none of the authors or editors come forward I will attempt some of the edits in the near future, though I would not like to upset anyone.
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Platinum prints, also called platinotypes, are photographic prints made by a monochrome printing process that provides the greatest tonal range of any printing method using chemical development.
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Platinum photo processing is still highly regarded from an artistic standpoint, Klimek said, because it captures the range of shades between black and white better than silver-based processing.
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example. If the paper used to coat the emulsion onto is 100% cotton for example Arches
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The platinum tones range from warm black, to reddish brown, to expanded mid-tone grays that are unobtainable in silver prints.
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