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Prashant Kishor and not as Prashant Kishor Pandey. "It is LIKELY that he carried it" in itself is a vague argument to make as there's no clarity from your end on whether he carried it or not. Therefore, the use of name as Prashant Kishor stands valid and more reliable.
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Prashant Kishor Pandey, but there far more (numerous) reliable sources calling him just Prashant Kishor. His organization and he himself uses that only. I do not think we have any legal evidence to prove one way or other. I am not aware if
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Knowledge guidelines which you seem to be against for a certain political agenda (yourself agreed to it). There are enough sources that mention his fullname / birthname bearing the 'Pandey' part, and we are very much within the limits to mention it. Also do read
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People can change their name to anything, and it will be added to the article if supported by reliable sources. However, birth name is birth name, and it must be included. There is also a specific option in every infobox to add the birth name separately. I agree with
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