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and only small changes would have to be made to the article to fix the scope problem. The modern position and the historical positions, including the Sun yet-Sen, great president, beiyang government, Nationalist government, all have different Chinese official titles, are based on different constitution/law , are elected by different people/organization, have different responsibilities and power, and controlling a different area. Even though they are all "presidents" of the ROC, they are practically different positions. I don't think lumping them all toghether in the same article is a good idea. Most readers of this article would be mainly interested in the modern position, instead of the full timeline of historical positions.--

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reinforce the perception that Taiwan is somehow a break-away or 'rebellious' state. As everyone knows, the KMT has no real interest in promoting Taiwanese identity as a legitimate national identity; in fact, it were able to suppress it it would have done so long ago. So the bottomline: this article needs to mention more about the changing dynamics of the Taiwanese presidency with respect to notions of Taiwanese identity (including how views on it have changed since 1949). Also, a separate article on 'President of Taiwan (since 1987)' should probably be created.

253: 2195:, as the article's scope would not match up with the title. COMMONNAME clearly does not apply, because :this is not purely a contemporary subject, but also a historical one. One can say clearly that the COMMONNAME for this position in regards to Sun Yat-sen or anyone the succeeded him is clearly not 'President of Taiwan'. The present title should thus be retained, representing the real continuity that exists. I would also like to pre-emptively oppose any proposal to split off post-1949 content, as this would be something akin to 358: 243: 222: 3763:, not this page. That would more be an argument to move that page to President of the People's Republic of China, not to keep this page at President of the Republic of China. And actually, that President of China example is probably the most comparable to this one, and supports the move. Of course, hard to find an exactly comparable situation, but I was merely arguing that all the other examples demonstrate the “president of ” formulation. 453: 432: 348: 327: 463: 2152:. While the common name of the independent country in East Asia is clearly "Taiwan", we can't necessarily use that fact to rename every article related to Taiwan. Each article subject has its own common name, and it would make sense for certain political things to retain "Republic of China" within their name in common usage. That being said, the common name for this subject is clearly "President of Taiwan". 2761:. Supporters of the move cite common name but opposers counter that argument with google search statistics, the exception listed at the naming convention for pre-1949 topics and the article titling policy regarding inaccurate common names (by arguing that the scope of the article includes content about pre-1949 institutions). Arguments for splitting the article did not gain consensus. 541: 191: 2838:. However, now with the ROC largely lost legitimacy to claim as the legitimate government of the Chinese state, let's move some of the pre-1949 historical context of these articles to the (office post) of China and let these articles focus on the history of the heads of state and government on Taiwan during Qing, Japanese colonial rule and the ROC since 1945. 3216:; which includes all iterations of it since 1911/12, decades before the Republic of China became synonymous with Taiwan. Referring, therefore, to the article as the 'President of Taiwan', when the position it refers to has existed long before the synonymity of Taiwan with the Republic of China, is an example of recentism which is simply not acceptable. 1681: 1678: 2358:

Almost everything in the article except the 'History' and 'Timeline of presidents' sections are about the modern time position under the current constitution. If the article is moved, for an article about the modern position, it is not a problem for the history section to include history before 1949,

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I don't think people are generally disputing that the current President is commonly referred to as the "President of Taiwan," but that, given the scope of the page (which also covers Presidents of the Republic of China prior to the 1949 retreat to Taiwan), "President of the Republic of China" is the

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When the main state articles were moved, it was agreed that the corresponding government officials articles relating to each of the PRC/ROC would remain as they were. The articles have long since been stable where they are. Can I ask why Uaat is supporting? Is the fact that it was raised by them not

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The head of state between 1925–1948 was indeed titled 'President'. While this is not a literal translation of the Chinese, it was officially used in English, and is used by all relevant English-language RS, to refer the relevant position. The proposed title is not actually more 'concise', because it

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I agree with you that we do not prefer official titles here. However, you are failing to take into account the full scope of article in your assessment of this position's common name, as I said above. The common name of this title as in reference to Sun Yat-sen, or to Chiang Kai-shek in 1948, is not

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Of course the reunificationists in this group wish to see both sides reunified, though they differ on what the governement of the reunified territory should be. The independence supporters, OTOH, wish to see Taiwan continue as an idependent state; they argue over whether the ROC should be abolished

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A broad swathe of Taiwanese, encompassing both reunificationists and pro-independence supporters, hold that since 1949 ROC territory has been (or should be) reduced to the territories now under its control. They are ready and willing to acknowledge PRC sovereignty over the mainland, but hold to ROC

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Good grief, what an ability to split hairs! But no, actually, given the geographical island was generally known as Formosa in the English-speaking world before the ROC took control of it (and frequently afterwards as well). I should point out that normally I support replacing the Republic of China

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It seems like the two people arguing in favor of this renaming are focusing on the present time and the current situation, but the article covers a line of presidency that spans back to 1912. Knowledge is not just about current status. It is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper – it covers the entire

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Removed the statement about that premier's powers were reduced out of fear that the DPP would control the legislature. I don't recall this as a major reason for the constitutional changes and it doesn't make sense because by centralizing power with the President, the change made it easier for the

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With respect, I think we just have differing opinions on the scope of the exception. I agree with you in instances where something predates the retreat, but not necessarily if it continues on and garners a common name with the passage of time. The ROC (including its president and premier) has now

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The question of 'Chinese' and 'Taiwanese' identity might be a valid consideration when discussing a person, but it is certainly not valid when discussing a legal title with deep historical roots. Putting aside the current political situation, it simply does not make sense from a historiographical

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followed by the modification? A few additional remark, the CCP government is keen to use the title of "Leader of Taiwan region" instead of "President of the ROC" so as to belittle the president as just a local governmental figure... do you favour to change it in compliance with the nomenclature

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The complexity and history of the article titles are well defined, and while the states have been moved to "Taiwan" and "China" respectively, the consensus has been to retain the formal titles as they are. There are always exceptions to most rules, and PRC/ROC official position titles have been

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Uh oh. The KMT have taken over the Taiwanese government again. These grubby nationalists will stop at nothing to portray Taiwanese people, society, culture, politics etc etc as somehow connected to Chinese people, society, culture, politics etc etc. I am afraid that this development will only

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I'm of the opinion of including the chairmen who served under the 1928-1947 Organic Law (the Political Tutelage era). The books and articles from that era seem to unanimously use "president". Finding an officially translated document or quote by an ROC official from that era will settle the

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Just a point, you can't really make the claim based on countries such as Laos, or Greece etc as there haven't been two states with the same name with one formerly recognised under the shorthand, they are not comparable situations. The Koreas, potentially yes, but otherwise, this situation is

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Come on. There is a big difference between "Leader of Taiwan region" and "President of Taiwan". One suggests that Taiwan is an independent country with its own sovereign head of state; the other doesn't. Ultimately, the question of whether to accept a Chinese or Taiwanese identity (which is

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The official position of the government of Taiwan is, of course, that the ROC is currently a sovereign and independent state, but as far as I know there is no official government position on whether its territories include the mainland (and Mongolia) or are limited to its current holdings.

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argument and repudiation of Shimoneseki to claim sovereignty over the island of Taiwan, though the ROC constitution has never been amended to include it (work was begun to do so, but the National Assembly, the agency responsible for such things, was abolished before work was completed).

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Though the ROC constitution makes general reference to the territories that were under ROC control at the time of its ratification, it never explicitly defines what those territories were. While (in addition to the mainland and Mongolia) they did include the islands of Kinmen and Matsu,

1541:华总 and 统 are not yet shown to be part of the native language used between the people in this nation-state; displaying them prominently on this English language page leaves the impression that this is the case-- only directly relevant foreign language material needs to be included here 1131:

Though nearly all Taiwanese (and, obviously the government itself) agree that the ROC is a sovereign state, there are at least three different understandings of what that encompasses (and herein lies the great gulf between the reunification and the independence forces in Taiwan).

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I think the “long before” is what I and others are challenging. The President of Republic of China title officially began in 1948 (after the 1947 constitution), and though there may not be a clear-cut date of the common name, overwhelming usage for decades isn’t just recentism.

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The question comes down to territory. Though pretty much everyone in Taiwan agrees that the ROC is the legitimate government of a sovereign state, when it comes to drawing the national boundaries of that state, the opinions lie (pardon the pun) quite literally all over the map.

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can trump policy and the usefulness of the encyclopedia to our readers. Concerns about pre-1949 history are irrelevant. That content can still be included in these articles – we regularly combine the history of subjects whose names have since changed in a single article, like

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Before the 1970s and even after now, the ROC President was also called the "President of China" when the ROC was the internationally recognized government of China. Despite the PRC is now recognized as the official "China", the name is also used as well as evidenced in the

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been essentially conflated with Taiwan, with reliable sources referencing it as Taiwan, for longer than the period when it controlled mainland China, so at a certain point (perhaps you are arguing not yet), it makes sense to follow the rule rather than the exception.

1780:– there is no such thing as the "president of Taiwan" because Taiwan is not a fully-independent nation. It claims to be the legit government of China and therefore we could argue that the president claims to be the president of China, not the "president of Taiwan". 3147:

I think you mean to say these titles predate Taiwan as the common name for the ROC, because Taiwan as an entity clearly predates the ROC. If that was what you mean, then I suggest either splitting the article into two to accommodate the overwhelming common usage

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I’ve struck a compromise between the two of you and included President of Taiwan in parenthesis in the first sentence, I know Uaat would prefer the article be renamed entirely and TaerkastUA objects to any mention of Taiwan but I think this is a good compromise.

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in the same year (326 vs. 60). I'll note that using the unofficial "president of Taiwan" throughout the article may necessitate a change in the capitalization of the word "president" in some cases because "president of Taiwan" is not an official title. See

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EDIT: In re-reading my comments it occurs to me I have oversimplified the issues involved and made a couple of dubious statements myself. Simply asserting that the ROC == Taiwan glosses over a whole plethora of issues, viewpoints and territorial questions.

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Under one China policy, independency can bring Taiwan a fundation to join the UN. Combine with Taiwan and Mainland under a political entity is good for the progress of demacracy in the Mainland. The political combination will be based on a good election

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It is certainly true that most Taiwanese, including many members of the government (and the previous two presidents), view Taiwan as a de facto sovereign nation. But that is different from claiming the view as the ROC government's official position.

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was right to shut that down. I suggest you compile support here, and if you get it launch another RM in say 8 weeks. I would probably support a move. There are other possibilities, & it would be good to gauge support for them, for example

2224: 2157: 3807:- Given that this RM was started by a now blocked user, should this still continue? I wouldn't like to legitimise a move by someone not contributing constrictively to the Wiki. If need be this discussion can be reopened in due course.-- 1735:, who was acting President under said Constitution and served from Jan 1949, when the ROC had still not fled the bulk of the mainland, to Feb 1950, when the ROC was confined to its present territory, with a notable exception of Hainan. 153: 2625: 1449:

thinks the official name should come before the alternative name, you could swap that and I am happy to discuss which should come first, but please don't revert to the version that removes the alternative name, which violates

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itself support? In addition, it is interesting as well, to note these move requests have by and large only been raised on ROC/Taiwan office articles, people seem to not mind that the PRC articles retain the long form. --

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include the main island of Taiwan, which had been Japanese territory since 1895. (Chiang Kai Shek later repudiated the Treaty of Shimoneseki; at the time of ratification, however, Japanese sovereignty was not disputed.)

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treated accordingly. One should also take note that it appears the user created an account soley to fill in this requested move, without prior knowledge or understanding of the depth of discussions surrounding this. --

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commonly to be known as Taiwan. Just like People’s Republic of China is commonly known as China/United States of America is commonly known as America or United States/Republic of the Korea is commonly known as South

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I mean, this probably is one discussion where semantics do matter, so I just wanted to make sure I understood your position. Your Formosa point kind of supports the proposal because the relevant articles are now

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The ROC-KMT doesnt recognize the warlord government but it was internationally recognized as the legitimate ROC government. On the other hand, no foreign nation recognized the ROC-KMT until they took Beijing in

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perspective to reify this office as a 'President of Taiwan', when no such title is specified anywhere, and where many of the holders of the relevant title never even held control over the territory of Taiwan!

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as well as any candidate who successively held the posts of the presidency still specify the "president of the Republic of China" as the only formal and legal title being used domestically and diplomatically,

3071:. During the time that this presidential position has existed, the geographic area that it has covered has changed. The one aspect that has been continuous is that it has been the presidency of the ROC. —⁠ ⁠ 584:

the Yuan Shikai and Warlord gov't (1913 - 1928) isn't recognized by the current Taiwanese gov't. It was a different polical organization from the current ROC. So should its presidents be part of this list?

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as a related article. The Premier of Taiwan move should be even more clear-cut since the official name of that office is the President of the Executive Yuan, so we should be using the actual common name.

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The problem is, the previous move request only had three participants, and one of them is a blocked sock. RFCs usually get more attention. Is there some procedure to attract wider attention for Requested

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This statement is in error. The official position of the government of the ROC is still that Taiwan and the mainland are a single country, with the ROC as the rightful government of both territories.

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This is not true. Taiwan is Taiwan, but not China. Nor does Taiwan have any relation with China. There is no legal reason to refer to the president of a country as the president of another country.

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is officially the ROC, we can apply WP:COMMONNAME and contextualize the history within the article. This move would make the article consistent with most other president or premier articles. E.g.,

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was commonly (perhaps exclusively) translated as "President" by foreign press. I am not sure if this was officially endorsed or simply not objected to by the ROC at the time. This is similar to

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Taiwan is actually taking Mainland China as a self-controlled plitical entity. No matter KMT or PPP can refuse to say that Taiwan is controlled by itself, and Mainland is controlled by itself.

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in principle, but let's make sure there's really strong consensus. Participation in the RM was small, but it was not very long ago and had clear consensus against such a move. I support given

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being translated as "premier". Also compare with State Chairman of the PRC officially being translated as President of the PRC. In this light, should we include the 1928 to 1949 heads? --

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The reason why it is necessary to distinguish between 'President of Taiwan' and 'President of the Republic of China' is because the article describes the government position of the

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The rationale of the move is because no state recognized the ROC as "China" anymore, such as Lai Ching-te being called the "President of Taiwan" in various publications from the

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The move of the Taiwan article (dated 2012) did not automatically include these articles here, but it also did not explicitly oppose the move. It merely called for a separate

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This article, especially the lead emphasizes the pre-1949 history too much and gives insufficient weight to the current ROC on Taiwan, so I propose to make these changes:

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Somebody must be claiming the sovereignty of whole China before and during WWII. Also the Japan-backed governments in Manchuria and Northern China claimed part of China.

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essentially the difference between "President of Taiwan" and "President of the Republic of China") is a bit removed from the question of whether to kowtow to the CCP.

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states that "Knowledge does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used." The

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The article should be moved to "President of Taiwan", the current title of the article can be confused with the President of (the People's Republic of) China.--

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fits the five naming criteria better. Even though "President of Taiwan" is not an constitutional title and "Taiwan" is not the official name of the country.

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No it is not a term for the President of the Republic of China. He is the President of the Republic of China, not Taiwan. There is no need to make it bold. -

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Trends by default show search frequency, not the number of results in RS. There are reasons to support both descriptions, not necessarily one or the other.

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I removed the statement " President of Taiwan ... is not prevalent in Taiwan itself", but I forgot to put the link to the table in the summary. Please see

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Many reunificationists (mostly older Taiwanese, whose numbers are now dwindling) hold that ROC territory still includes the mainland, now (either since

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Even if they had been blocked for sockpuppetry, a procedural close on that basis should only be done when there is no support from non-sock users. See

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Today in Hong Kong, they are still holding their English election system. Taiwan is a far away a problem after Mainland and Hong Kong relationships.

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who is then newly elected Taiwanese president, Secretary Blinken mentioned Taiwan instead of ROC) acknowledge about this post, even in Taiwan.

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Similar concerns had been raised and it was concluded that the move of the Taiwan article "explicitly does not include any other articles".

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Common usage still clearly favors “Taiwan” over the “Republic of China” though. Google Trends for example shows overwhelming preference for

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To be clearer, the move proposal also proposes to spin out content before 1949 to a new article, following the two discussions above.--

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in 1949. Instead, ROC represents Taiwan and PRC represents China. (Both ROC and PRC “claimed” they have each others’ territories, but

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only 18100 Results, while many of those actually uses the form 'President of the Republic of China (Taiwan)' or is about Sun yet-sen.

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are co-extensive, they would hold that "the ROC is sovereign and independent" is equivalent to "Taiwan is sovereign and independent".

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Although now is sad to say that Taiwan is not in the UN, it is just some small problems to reach the goal, law's problem for example.

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Per long standing convention, historicity and the complexities of the situation, I don't believe it would be prudent to move.

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clarifies that "Taiwan" is searched more than the "Republic of China", which is a historical Chinese state on the Mainland. @

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I have make this term bold because it is another name for president of ROC. However, someone keeps changing it back.--

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3. Add the date and name of the first directly elected president in the infobox in "Formation" and "First Holder" --

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related articles on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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with Taiwan in article titles, except in these instances where they predate the move of the ROC to the island. --

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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became the common name can be contextualized in the history section of the article (or reorganized, similar to

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We'd have to also change the title to reflect that. That said I think that arrangement is too cumbersome. "The

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No matter Taiwan will be independent or not, in fact, both Taiwan and Mainland will keep on helping each other.

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I do not think it is misleading or inaccurate, because most modern references to this position are in fact

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option while “President of the People’s Republic of China” is already changed to “President of China”.

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I hope this explanation makes sense to all of you but if it’s confusing you, please let me know! :)

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well maybe we're not talking about only the current Taiwanese government, but rather the ROC regime?

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does not include using the formal and legal title, or the preference of position holders. In fact,

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in 1912, the Republic of China and it's president relocated to Taiwan in 1949 after losing the

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Update. I'm in the opinion that Chairman was officially translated as President. Letters by

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I see many flaws to this proposal. When does "President of Taiwan" start? in 1949? That's

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This was the exact argument used in the past. The only !vote mentioning "exceptions" was

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2. Change the position of the History section to appear before Timeline of Presidents

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I'm not convinced COMMONNAME supports a move. "President of the Republic of China"

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Semantically, I also think it's better to say that the ROC does not recognize the

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after a failed RM in December, and starting an Rfc is NOT the right way to go.

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It is a different story in contrast with common name chage for Taiwan. As the

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move, I'm less enthusiastic about this one and the proposed renaming of

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This is enshrined in the ROC constitution and has never been changed.

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is a sovereign state, as Taiwan is but a part of the larger state.

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to a four-year term, with at most one re-election. The incumbent,

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sovereignty over its current holdings. Since for this group

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