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explained it in a coherent enough way that if I knew a little more about algorithms and circuits it would make perfect sense. I would work on some wording just to make the point of some sentences clear, for example I had to reread the part of your introduction that talked about polynomial speedups just because the phrasing was a bit confusing. I would also add a "Notes" title above all of your references (so many!) and add links within your article to other wikipedia pages. Overall, really well organized, great information, very thorough - I'll definitely be looking into reorganizing my article because I like the way you did yours. Read like an encyclopedia with acknowledgment of the skepticism without seeming like you were persuading the reader either way. Good work!
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The intention of google to prove quantum supremacy in 2017 is mentioned twice in the article, both times the sentence structure is virtually the same.  The second mention of google's plans to build a 49 qubit quantum computer does not say anything new.  Even though these sentences are in different sections, consider removing the second mention, or altering the sentence to mention the potential development in a new and interesting way.
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I think insufficient attention has been paid to "quantum primacy" as a replacement. It captures some (rather than advantage's none) of the essence of the transcendent improvement quantum algorithms could have on classical ones that "quantum supremacy" was meant to evoke. Even though it doesn't answer
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of the article? I get the impression that "quantum supremacy" is a little bit more specific, and refers to the space-race-like competition to demonstrate achievement, while "quantum advantage" can refer more broadly to the potential advantages that quantum computers offer over classical machines. For
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This page presents information on the proposed supremacy of quantum computing in an unbiased manner.  The page has all the information needed to be a good first source for researching quantum supremacy, but the language used in the page is a bit to dense to be the best first source that it could be.
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of the article. I think I'd need to do some more reading to get a better sense of how often researchers talk about "quantum advantage" in this narrow sense versus the broad sense, but it seems like if both are relatively common, then an all-encompassing article would be more useful so that everyone
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for now there is no agreement to either change or keep this article's title. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their arguments, discover new ones, and try again in a few months to garner consensus for a title change. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone
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Thanks for the feedback! I shortened the last paragraph of the lead to make it more of a summary and to avoid being repetitive when I mention Google's plans later on. As for density, I think that the level of knowledge required to read the article is similar to that needed for related articles like
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This page demonstrates a strong knowledge of quantum computing and both the results needed for, and the arguments for and against the supremacy of quantum computing to traditional computing methods.  Factual, to the point, well organized.  Tone is neutral, page does a good job discussing skepticism
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This article could use more explanation of the litany of technical terminology needed to understand the article.  Sentences are dense, and at times tough to read.  A simple alternative could be hyperlinking wikipedia pages that explain technical terminology, such as the wikipedia page for qubits.
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the article to be about generic quantum advantage, as opposed to simply renaming it. I don't see the motivation for such a rewrite, I think an article on the narrow subject of quantum supremacy is more useful. Moreover, your rewrite would still have a conflict with the vast literature that uses
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I thought this article did a really good job of organizing the relevant information into sections where each section had a decent amount of information and representation. I'm not familiar with this topic at all so there was definitely some information that went over my head, but I think you
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I mistakenly re-added this section without a corresponding message, but to explain my reasoning: I'm not particularly attached to the section, but I think it's a reasonably common criticism in the quantum computing community; looking at the extended list of signatories,
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A good start on your Quantum Supremacy summary, @Jamesonoreilly--this article will complement other related entries on Knowledge (XXG) (e.g. quantum computing, quantum mechanical phenomena, etc). --
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quantum computing. I added a lot of links to other Knowledge (XXG) articles to keep mine connected to other related content and to make it easier to fill in the gaps not covered in this article.
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I don't know if any one of these arguments would be the deciding factor on its own, but together I think that they make a decent case for a page move. Does that answer your question?      —
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It has 2330 hits for "quantum advantage" versus 2280 hits for "quantum supremacy". It's an insignificant difference. Moreover, just looking at the first page of results I found a paper
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I'm afraid you misunderstood what quantum supremacy is. It's not about experimentally demonstrating a performance advantage, it's about solving a problem that classical computers
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No, I was talking about my personal recognitions, how I saw both terms in the reliable sources. My personal selection of sources may be not representative at all. --
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have all signed the petition, along with a good number of people at Microsoft Quantum. I think it also has enough press coverage to justify inclusion.
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makes more sense, partly because the experiments make more sense with the theoretical background, and partly because then everyone who searches for
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measurable experiments, making it more inclusive of complexity theory advantages and other asymptotic (theoretical) performance advantages.
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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advantages, and I'm arguing to restructure the rest of the article so that the experimental demonstrations are grouped together.      —
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It seems like if we're restricting to the narrow sense of experimentally demonstrating measurable performance advantages, then a lot of
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I concur. I think the whole drama is rather silly, but it did get some coverage, and plenty of serious researchers were involved.
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I guess I'll order an "advantageous pizza" for dinner tonight; don't want anybody thinking I've got a white supremacist streak
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See below that editors are unconvinced by the arguments related to Google Trends and Scholar, as well as the racist angle. So
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closed the discussion, so I'll reply here instead. The way I see it, there are currently three reasons for moving the page:
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The concepts discussed could potentially be introduced in more accessible language. Overall, a really good wiki submission.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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is in the scope of the article? If so, could you update the article with information about this new theorem?
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would end up in the right place (unlike now, where people interested in the theory would end up on a page
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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OK, but "Criticism of the name" should be linked from both the article lead and the section lead
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that suggest quantum computers will scale exponentially faster. The current article is titled
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I don't understand the distinction you're drawing. The current lead describes a problem that
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I appreciate your detailed response. Thank you, my question has been answered. Thank you.
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finds the information they're looking for when they look up "quantum advantage".      —
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Hans Wurst's suggestion of "quantum ascendancy" is thought to be unacceptably offensive.
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that constitutes a consensus to continue with the current article title.
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of the article a bit broader and more well-defined. People tend to use
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has pointed to additional evidence in Google Trends and Google Scholar.
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Information-Theoretic Bounds on Quantum Advantage in Machine Learning
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a term that has now largely replaced the earlier 'quantum supremacy'
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Make a section called "Quantum supremacy" that's more focused on
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Quantum supremacy using a programmable superconducting processor
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that is about generic quantum advantage, not quantum supremacy.
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Can anyone with more knowledge in the subject check if
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