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Yes, because the relevance is low and the information is already summarized in the "for a number of concessions towards Jews living in the Papal dominions" sentence. If you wanted to add in a mention of
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Now, since you'd be the one deleting the material, and you acknowledge "Through the
Austrian Crown Prince Matternich the Rothschilds asked the Pope for a number of concessions towards Jews living in the Papal dominions" is valuable, encyclopedic material, wouldn't be the onus on you to not delete
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The section was tagged it hasn't undergone "wholesale destruction" - yet. Most of it, however, should go - as the events chronicled (other than the
Rothschild plea to halt oppression of Jews in the papal states that you mention above) - are not related to the loan.
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