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reported. "The perpetuation of racist violence and xenophobia constitutes the most serious threat...to the democratic process in the Russian Federation," Diene said, adding that a "profound social and economic crisis" is feeding "the ideology of nationalism." AFP quoted Russia's delegate to the UN Human Rights Council, Valery Loshchinin, as calling Diene's report "partisan and politicized." Loshchinin added, "We don't claim to be perfect, but to speak of a social and economic crisis in Russia when the situation is stable is exaggerated." Aleksandr Brod, director of the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, told Interfax on June 5 that about 120 racially motivated attacks took place in Russia between January and May of this year, in which 31 people were killed and at least 120 injured. According to Brod, 21 people were killed and 42 injured in Moscow, three died and 19 were injured in St. Petersburg, and 22 were injured in Nizhegorod Oblast. Natives of Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, and African countries were the most frequent targets of such attacks. Brod said there has been a "sharp growth" in the number of racially motivated attacks in Russia over the last three years, with seven people killed and around 100 injured during the first half of 2004, 10 killed and 200 injured in the first half of 2005 and 17 killed and 130 injured in the first half of 2006. The daily "Vremya novostei" reported on May 28 that Artur Ryno, an 18-year-old student at an icon-painting school who was detained in mid-April on suspicion of murdering a 46-year-old Armenian, Karen Abramyan, in Moscow, told investigators that he and a friend -- Pavel Skachevsky, also 18 -- killed 37 people in racially motivated attacks since August 2006. JB
2587:, named after them (specifically after Georgians and Circassians). As for Russians, I have known at least a couple Russians from European Russia who are at least pretty tan, though the majority are typical Eastern Europeans. Arguing Caucasians are not Caucasoid or "white is like arguing Mongols are not Mongoloid or "yellow". In any case, "race" is only a matter of perception, but the fact is that Caucasians are not significantly darker than Russians on average in skin color (and even in the case of hair color, though Caucasians are typically black-haired, there are a handful of blond or even redhead Caucasians- Maryam Tashaeva being an example of blond Chechen, for example). The designation of Caucasians as "black" has less to do with their actual physical appearance than it does with sociopolitical and cultural factors. As for Stormfront, the last I heard of that site as a matter of fact is was talking about the allegedly valiant struggles of "White Arian Russians" against the non-Arian Caucasians, though for obvious reasons I don't peek at Stormfront very often- and Stormfront should not be even taken seriously. In any case, this is a rather pointless topic here over a very minor issue.-- 2618:(I'm not really sure how this is such a serious issue to you) Yes, nobody has ever denied that Caucasians are on average darker than Russians. Although the issue is interesting and both King and Jaimoukha have discussed it before in their writings- Jaimoukha (himself a Circassian) notes that the perception of the appearance of Caucasians is different between Western Europeans and Russians. Western Europeans who traveled to the Caucasus described the Circassians, Georgians and Chechens as being apparently slim, tall, large-eyed, black-haired and pale-skinned, whereas for the Russian mind, Caucasian conjures up a very different image-olive-skinned, curly-haired, and (sometimes) short. But the sentence should stay in there because it does clarify, as any normal reader who is familiar with the Caucasus and its people who clearly aren't black (black in teh English sense of the word meaning sub-Saharan African), and that the definition of "black" does indeed have to do with non-Russian facial appearance and cultural factors. That's why I think whoever put it there put it there. Its at least not a "frantic effort by foreignors", and nothing of the sort. -- 2402:
admittedly, motivated by ethnic differences (not racial). That's first. 2. Second, "Christian": Wow, did the writer of this section know the perpetrators so well that he knows what beliefs they hold? Did the perpetrators wear a cross? Is there at least SOME evidence showing that they're Christian? No. In fact, neo-Nazis tend to be anti-Christian. Slavic neo-Nazist are either atheist/agnostic or "pagan", mostly Slavic pagan. They see Christian teachings contradicting the basis of Nazism. This leads me to another point - the use of the word "Russian". 3. There is no concrete evidence that it was done by "White Christian Russians". The perpetrators wore masks, and their faces was never revealed. In fact, it is quite possible that the beheading, whether real or not, was done by a "caucasian" to put Russians in bad light. However, I can't vouch for the veracity of this statement. I saw the video (a simple google search will show you), and trust me, there is no way this was fake. But my only concern here is that there is concrete proof that the beheading was carried out by a Russian.
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depriving wikipedians of sources of reference, it is still the responsibility of the contributors to find sources that would make this article less one-sided. One may look at official government crime statistics and patriotic press to find the gruesome tales of non-Russian crimes against the native Slavic population. Let alone all the flood of drugs that the fathers of Tajik girls bring to Russia. Did anybody care to ask, how can a Tajik, father of the Tajik girl, be renting a $ 200 dollars apartment while he was only making $ 150 at his "official" job? One good thing out of all of this is a firm proof that liberalism's grip is tight on the throat of the West and it will suffocate it soon enough and prevent it from being duped any longer into projecting its violence onto other societies. Albeit, we'll all miss the great Western civilization's positive moments. Keep it up wikipedians, remain in your blissful idiocy. --
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Slavic women are very common in Russia, while the marriages between Caucasian females and Slavic males remain a social taboo in many Caucasian societies and are very rare. Also with all due respect Nick Gabrichidze's opinion about discrimination towards Caucasians is the opinion of only one man and is not enough to claim it as a new phenomenon. Finally, the level of hostility towards for example Georgians (who share the same Orthodox Christian faith and related culture with Russians) is nowhere near the level of antagonism between Russians and Chechens which is an exceptional case due two years of violent conflict in Chechnya. (Not to mention what some Caucasian peoples for example Armenians and Ossetians have traditionally close and friendly relations with the Russians). (
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exists, as it does in all other countries. But this very article is simply wrong. Please don't call me names, I am not a fanatical patriot or whatever and I very much support the West. I rather simply want this article to be as unbiased as possible, making corrections to all the points. So, for example, take skinheads. Do you really think all Russian males are skinheads, everyone kills black people etc.? Of course not, we - Russians - are afrain of them as much as blacks are. It is just a very undesireble element of our society and it is very much condemned. But this article doesn't mention it. The reader will get the feeling that any foreigner here will be killed the second he walks out of the airport, then ritually burned etc.
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Putin coming to power, are the exact same ones speaking of anti-Baltic racism in the USSR, before Putin's coming to power. Looks like someone wants to eat their cake and have it too. This article must either be expanded, or deleted. Racism doesn't emerge overnight, and unless you, dummies who wrote the article, want to get laughed out of wikipedia, I recommend you change it. "And elected, Putin was. And racism came into Russia." Is that the point of this biased article the same one reiterated so many times in hopes the lie can become the truth of "Putin = bad"? FYI - worst racial atrocities in Russia occurred under Yeltsin's "Democracy".
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skinheads. But how it affects tourists? well in Stockholm for example there were reports on skinhead attacks, but never any specifally against tourists. But for example in much bigger city like Moscow, where it´s said "racism out of control" (it is indeed always "uncontrolable"). If i´m going there as a tourist would i ever be so "unfortunate" as to confront racist skinheads in the metro or anywhere? The point is how likely is it that a foreign tourist in Moscow or St Petersburg might confront these kind of people?
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groups of trained nationalists in Russia of the 80s or 90s, including murders of anti-nationalist activists, you could create another article and merge or categorize them. The head of the state, later of the government, is mentioned twice in a positive key. I could not find his name criticized in the article. BTW, if the head of the government and the head of the state see the surge of hate crimes, they can straighten things up any time by enforcing the law. Stepping down is also an option. --
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over, where is the account of drug dealing, where is the account of muslim illegals building mosques on top of Russian war dead cemeteries, where is the account of Russian citizens kidnapped for slavery going back to 1970's, where is the account of "Caucasians" setting up ethnic schools in Moscow where they force out ethnic Russian students, where is all the "good stuff"? The hypocrisy and racism of the left-wing fascists has reached stupendous proportions and must be, and will be, dealt with.
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the author mean "often"? how many times are they depicted as a dangerous savages? Any sources? If u have no sourses, please dont write "often". I propose "sometimes" instead of " often" 3. "Following the Russian-Georgian crisis of September and October 2006, Russian authorities have rounded up Georgians and demanded that schools draw up lists of pupils with Georgian last names."- Russian authorities ve rounded up Georgian for the purpose of a discovering illegal immigrants ( look
1229:, or simply nation as in the book "History of the Irish Race". More recently the meaning has mostly narrowed to continent-level racial groupings because of the tendency in the post-WWII USA and world in general to efface conflicts between "white" groups and concentrate on conflicts with African and Asian peoples and their diasporas. However, Americans condemning current negative attitude towards Arabs in USA do not hesitate to call it "racism" even though most Arabs are technically 1692: 1581:
are they doing and what they want. These kids are also nationalist who like Beria. I am Georgian and vast majority of Georgian people don't like Beria. If you are from the eastern Ukraine you might like him. Obviously, our opinions simply don't matter. Anti-Caucasian sentiment is basically a propaganda by some Russian politicians which is not planned well. That is what this picture shows. And calling ignorant somebody in an academical argument is not
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relative - they're referred to as 'black' because of the simple fact that Caucasians in general are darker than the Russians pointing out a couple who have blond hair will never get rid of that fact. The same way that Lebanese are attacked in Australia for being non-white whereas in Latin America they'd easily fall into the category of 'white'. That sentence 'clarifying' that it's because of black hair is both ridiculous and weaselicious ;D
451: 737:: Seems like you know more about his problem then we do. If you would take your time to write an artickle about this problem instead of deleting everything what hurts your feelings (or every issue you personaly are not familiar with), and harras every user(ers) you dislike it will be much appreciated. However the problem you have mentioned (prejudice against migrants from East Asia) is not a new type of phobia, but a "good" 'al 342: 311: 2214:? Also the content of the article on such a sensitive topic should be later changed to strictly follow the scope defined in the title. We should also pay attention that everything is properly referenced and specifically POV pushing is avoided as much as possible. Boy, am I getting so naive again ... ? Anyway, we should make sure that the topic is not too broad. Let's wait a while to see other opinions/options and then file a 2769:
to the Stalin era when some caucasian (along with others) peoples were deported to Siberia and Central Asia. Before the communist era there was hostiliy to jews in particular, but there is no mention of any particular hostiliy to chechens (and other caucasians) in these times. so this is a relatively new thing, this "anti-caucasianism". Indeed there were at times violent hostility towards armenians in the tsarist empire.
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and this is where the term black comes from - fact. You've as much as admitted it yourself. This nomenclature is not just limited with Russians to Caucasians but also South Slavs towards Greeks and in many other circumstances around the world - keep pretending it isn't true if it makes you feel better - I am however satisfied that my objections to this sycophancy have been raised clearly for the record. ZMTYA
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difference between so-called Russian Nationalism and Soviet Union. Most Russians are very proud what hey have done during the past two centuries. It is also my opinion and I would appreciate if Fisenco does not turn red on this comment. Georgians have lots of culture than being proud of Stalin and Beria. We can give them to you as your May day present which you still celebrate and very proud of it.
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the blatantly obvious and give up another instance of wiki white washing - which is indeed a very serious issue. BLACK and WHITE have always been relative terms, not absolute ones. It's just a shame Nikoloz Gilauri, Kim Kardashian and all the other freak-caucasians couldn't just go away so that northern europeans can have the idea that this region is inhabited by people who look exactly like them.
2923:- on russian) .A discovering of illegal immigrants is a duty of Immigration Service in all countries.Authourities have a right to take any legal measures ( a drawing up lists of last names is not prohibited legal step) in oder to discover and to deport illegal immigrants.It s a worldwide legal practice. According that, in that case,activity of russian authorites cant be recognized as a racism. 2756:- on russian) .A discovering of illegal immigrants is a duty of Immigration Service in all countries.Authourities have a right to take any legal measures ( a drawing up lists of last names is not prohibited legal step) in oder to discover and to deport illegal immigrants.It s a worldwide legal practice. According that, activity of russian authorites cant be recognized as a racism. 1600:. In any case this is not the issue here, we already have one picture of National-Bolsheviks in the article and its fine. The second picture however is totally out of contest since 90% + of Russian nationalists with anti-Caucasian sentiments not only would not admire Beria but would more likely use crimes of Beria and Stalin to further justify their hostility towards Georgians. 352: 243: 222: 191: 1112:
one "Russian" per room with foreigners. A russian boy in a room with africans was very friendly: he showed them ways around, helped them with various everyday things. At a certain moment he noticed that Africans tell him to do more and more. Finally, when one of them told the Russian to brush his shoes, so the Russian told him to fuck off in his best russian
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that but even a blonde haired armenain women was under threat because she was considered 'black' by russian skinheads. That's why it's important to clarify in the article that this terminology of 'black' is nothing but politcial. Otherwise Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev who has dark blond hair is also 'black' which is absurd.
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and following discussion is enough. If you feel that parts of content here are too harsh please EDIT them istead of deleting content completely. Besides you already filed a VfD, so even editing, not to talk about constantly deleting whole paragraphs of the text you are trying to terminate is not appropriate
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I think the article is far from being a soapbox. It does connect three entities together, a country, racism and the decade, but I guess the much higher occurrence of the crimes at the intersection of the coordinates is mentioned in the news. If you find references to ethnic hate crimes committed by
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3. "Following the Russian-Georgian crisis of September and October 2006, Russian authorities have rounded up Georgians and demanded that schools draw up lists of pupils with Georgian last names." - Russian authorities ve rounded up Georgian for the purpose of a discovering illegal immigrants ( look
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It seems like the Russians are not very specific when they talk about "Caucasians"; when looking at an ethnographical map over the Caucasus region, one see that there is a "hodgepotch" of different peoples with different languages and religions. One can divide it in 1) christian orthodox peoples, and
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Speaking about "anti-caucasianism", there is one group thati s always mentioned and it seems to be the Chechens, which quite many times been pointed out in this discussion-article (also adding other caucasian muslims). Studying russian/soviet history there seems to be a (maybe weak) link leading back
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While it presents the very few facts of attacks against the odious non-white invaders into Russia, this articles completely ignores the numerous crimes and atrocities committed by the so called "immigrants". While we can always blame the media for not reporting on those in their "news", and therefore
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1. the use of the word "white": People from the Caucuses (regardless of whatever nonsense skinheads or a narrow-minded Russian nationalists spew, or any attempt to prove the contrary) are by and large white. Dagestanis are white. Period. End of discussion. This is a white-on-white attack, though,
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Stalin and Beria were real Russian nationalists and had nothing to do with their Georgian background. They did care or had any feelings for their country of birth. On contrary, they have contribute greatly in destruction of Georgian society, culture and loss of her territories. I guess, French should
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The reality is that people do get attacked and killed by Russian nationalists. They don't like Nazi flags, because their ancestors probably died in the war with Nazis, but they like Commie flags. However, Communism opposes Nationalism as an ideology. So, my point is that they don't know what the heck
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You will also deny murders of Armenian nationals in Moscow? How about Georgian student who was killed by Neo-Nazi group in St. Pitersburg? I spoke with many georgians, chechens, ingush, armenians and they all claim the same. They were discriminated all the time and also it was unsafe for them to live
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I am an Afro Russian, My father was a Zanzibari student who met and maried my mother who is originally from a small town near Moscow. I lived in Russia until I was 10 before my family settled in Britain. I am now a British citizen. I have visited Russia nad other FSU countries for business and family
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The logic in my "Russian Empire" reference is that my history of edits clearly show that I have no history of taking a Russian side (and I am not Russian, by the way; if you know Russian language, I can tell you how an army sergeant mocked about my last name: "Kazhdoe govno konchaetsa na "o", kazhdyj
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From my side, I did not remove material uncommented. My comment was in edit summary. When you restored after disagreeing with me I did not go into edit wars. I simply have no time for writing much now. But after two weeks I will start seriously objecting to 80% of the article, here in the talk page.
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Skinheads may be a British invention but when it comes to sheer numbers, levels of violence and hatred of foreigners a damning new report suggests Russia has become the bovver boys' blood-soaked new playground. It may be a country that vilifies fascism more than any other and arguably had to make the
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POV against Putin, Medvedev and United Russia. Pure, blatant and simple. Why 2000s? Did racism in Russia not exist prior to the new millenia? Were there no racial attacks under Yeltsin? No racism under Gorbachev? I read people, who wrote this article pretending racism not to exist in Russia prior to
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Unfortunately it is indeed a very serious issue - where on earth do you think these Russians pulled the appellation 'black' from? I'm sorry but you're in total denial - no matter how small you think the difference may be it is an issue of relativism - Caucasians are on average darker than Russians -
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Soory, Fisenko but bunch of war veterans getting together does not mean a National holiday of Georgia. As you know Saakashvili denied Putin's invitation on May Day last year. Georgia is a democratic country unlike Russua and people don't get shot for getting together and talking about their memories
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One more, rather strange factor, which played role, but I don't put it in the article. At least in my university foreign students were freed from study of the most dreaded discipline, "History of the CPSU"! This was usually the punchline: "they have money, they have our girls,... and they don't have
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It is Russo phobia and it is existing term in Russian language (mostly by right wing but who cares) but I unlike caucasophobia which made it's way into English, I do not know how the prejudice against Russians is called in Eng. However the phenomena itself definitely exists: but not among Caucasians
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Please stop vandalizing this article only because you do not like it's content. You seem to have a lots of contribution for this on-line resource(wikipedia) so please do not make us file another page protection and vandalism report. Please, let's solve it in a friendly way. This plague about dispute
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There are a number of questionable and clearly biased points in the article, for example there is no official policy to discriminate against Caucasian males marrying Slavic women, there are only some xenophobic individuals in Russia who resent this. Nonetheless, marriages between Caucasian males and
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The term "anti-national sentiment" makes no sense semantically and, consequently, does not convey the focus of this article, which is racism. I've read that the purpose for changing the title from "Racism in Russia" was to allow for coverage of a broader topic; but the title "Xenophobia in Russia"
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Cool down here. Unless you have serious objections to some statements, tagging every second sentence is rather frivolous. In this way you can litter 80% of wikipedia. Unless you state reasonable doubts in truth of some phrases, destroying an article on a whim in 3 days is bad idea. Wikipedians have
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I agree with you Ldingley it´s pointless to make a big point about their Georgian background, like some western educated people really do!. Well, one can always make a big thing about Hitler`s Austrian (or German?) background, but to me that would be equally pointless. Had Hitler really anything to
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Dingley, I believe that he's trying to share his individual experience in Russia, and point out that Russia is a vast country and, although hotbeds of racism may exist, in general Russians are nice people. I've visited Russia, and so have many of my friends, and aside from pickpocketing and bribing
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Assume good faith. It was not me who started looking some additional motives in my attitude, which is crystall clear: no unverified info in wikipedia. FUI, references to newspapers serve only as confirmations of some generalizations. But these generalizations must be presented as expert's opinions,
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I find it ridiculous to inovoke "Movement against illegal immigration" as a society for segregation. The whole problem with illegal immigrants is that they are way far from the best representatives of the ethnicity. And the same was 30 year ago: Georgians I've seen in Tbilisi and I've seen in Minsk
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While this article is undoubtedly necessary, it needs to talk about origins. You can't talk about Russia without mentioning the USSR; likewise, racism in USSR and origins of "Racism in Post-Soviet Russia" needs to be expanded on. Also, there is little to no mention of anti-fascist parties, groups.
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I'm not sure. The 1990s' racism was conducted by people of an older generation; people who had been subjected to Soviet notions about ethnic relations from an early age. People who have been pushing racism in the recent years are largely people who are too young to remember Soviet times, so they
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2. "Members of these ethnicities are often depicted as dangerous savages who are a threat to public safety."- What does the author mean "often"? how many times are they depicted as a dangerous savages? Any sources? If u have no sourses, please dont write "often". I propose "sometimes" instead of "
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1. "Caucasophobia is a neologism, introduced in the Russian and Caucasian media (as Кавказофобия)." - where are the soursce and the list of concred newspapers. TV channels etc.? 2. "Members of these ethnicities are often depicted as dangerous savages who are a threat to public safety."- What does
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Black is not a universal term meaning 'Sub-Saharan African' Black in this context means dark for the Russians, many northern european cultures have historically used it to refer to southern peoples in mediterranean latitudes - I like it how after a little badgering I've finally gotten you to admit
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The racist type of Russians being talked about in this article are mostly the types that live west of the Urals i.e. Northern Europeans - their treatment to those Siberians has already been addressed. Armenians and Azeris are but not Georgians? - what about Nikoloz Gilauri then? Is he some kind of
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of the people as a whole. It's more a matter of perception. Lastly, I don't think the sentence is "weaselicious", I think its more that the average reader, especially one familiar with the Caucasus, knows that the Caucasians are actually rather white, so it would be confusing for them without that
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I agree with the statement that Dagestanis and other north caucasians are predominantly white. Otherwise we could take a minority of non-white slavic russians (not very common) and also call russians non-white as whole based on this. The Dagestani man behaded was white in the video i saw. Not only
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What reality ? You are obviously ignorant of the subject. These people are not mainstream Russian nationalists ,its a just fringe extremist group. In any case this picture has no relation to anti-Caucasian sentiment in the Russian society, which is a topic of this section of the article. Something
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If a chechen marries a Russian girl it is considered multiculturlaism, if a Russian guy tries to date a chechen girl her relatives will cut off his head it is called tradition, but if Russians want to keep chechens out of Moscow that is called racism. What a sick and cruel joke modern day liberals
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circulated in nearly every university I visited during my student times (there were traditions to celebrate "Department Days", with invitations of students from the same department from universities in other cites). In student hostels, students lived 3-4 persons per room. It was obligatory to have
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You may get more traction if you include an extensive account of violent crimes, intimidations, rapes and kidnappings commited by the "immigrants" against native Russian population. Where is the expose on how "Caucasians" throw out poor pensioners out their own apartments and force them to hand it
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I took out the entire first paragraph as it completely unsabstantiated by any citation of any actual statements from LDPR and DPNI that would expose them as racist. They are nationalistic, and oppose illegal immigration, but there is nothing racist about it. This section was written by someone who
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People who wrote this simply don't have any idea about the actual subject. Everything written here is what the Western Rusophobic (they all are, try BBC.com: to an uneducated person it will seems Russia is wrose than hell itself) media tells you. Now, I can't, of course, deny that racism in Russia
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This thing about Skinheads and racist attacks has been a plague in the west for many years, and now it seems to have come to Russia, and it seems like the newsmedia "loves" to report about it. For example in Sweden during the 90s the hole decade out there was a debate about racism, xenophobia and
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had been chased from the area following an attempted arson attack. There has been no police investigation. The home countries of the dead and injured are: China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Angola, Ivory Coast, Tahiti, Morocco, Kazakhstan, Dominican Republic,
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The Moscow Regional Court on April 10 sentenced two former defense industry workers to 18 and 19 years in prison for their role in the 2005 bombing of a Grozny-to-Moscow train, the Moscow Times reported on April 11. Mikhail Klevachyov was sentenced to 19 years and Vladimir Vlasov to 18 years in a
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or a statement can be removed, unless a statement is obvious. If you think these policies are "frivolous" then go say so on the policy talk pages. I have lived in Russia myself and none of the statements I tagged are obvious. I have given much more than 3 days due to travel but soon will begin
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I don't argue with you. You can be as Nationalist and proud as you want. Victory day of Russia is a holiday for Russians and not for everybody. One totalitarian government beat another one. However, I did loose my ancestors in the WWII, but the fake holiday like that is not celebrated in Georgia.
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with Luis. Most people in the Westren World identify Stalin as Russian. Most of Fisenko's discussions are his own personal opinions than valid points and I am not gonna comment on them. In fact, I really don't care about the Russian Skinheads, let Russians worry about them. I simply don't see any
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Sorry , I never called you an ignorant person, I only said you are ignorant about this particular subject (attitudes and ideology of Russian nationalists). Vast majority of Russians don't like Beria as well. National-Bolsheviks are not part of "propaganda by some Russian politicians" but the most
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Going to the "sources", statistical report of racist attacks in Russia. Now i should say i have only read some of them: but it seems that the majority of the victims are not Caucasians but rather Central Asians like Uzbeks and Tajiks. Among Caucasians it seems to be Armenians, Azerbaijanians and
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That Caucasians are actually darker than Russians on average is even questionable. Granted, Armenians and Azerbaijanis are, and Georgians maybe but not by much. But there are some very pale Caucasians (especially in the North Caucasus) and some rather tan (and sometimes almost Mongoloid looking,
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Fisenko, I don't want to argue with you. I respect your position and would rather work with you than arguing endlessly. Yes they were communists but they had nothing to do with Georgian character, culture or identity. So it’s pointless to mention about their Georgian background. My background is
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So in this sense, "racism" would appropriate, whereas "anti-national sentiment" is clearly inappropriate. In general usage, "anti-national sentiment" refers to not liking a particular state -- in this case, Russia. So according to the present title, the article would be about those in Russia who
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I was never in my life interested in Russian politics and almost never read any Russian news in last 7 years (except of sites with Russian anecdotes, like kulichki.ru). This discussion made me to do this, and I see there is a whole huge problem all over Russia: millions of immigrants from China,
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Ok, I can go on forever. Basically, my point is simple: to every point against there should be a point pro. Russians as people are not racist. We love and care for everyone. If a foreigner walks into a Siberian village, the people there will give him everything and do everything to make him feel
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One way to explain: when the Soviet union broke down ther were criminal "structures" from perhaps any ethnic group (russians included) that suddenly you were free to do everything. It developed in to a struggle between russian and other criminal gangs. Among the others there were caucasian (and
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I do not agree at all with Ldingley, racism does occur in many countries, but most Russians are not racist at all. I was actually suprised to see with my own eyes how brotherly Russian people have acted to people from other countries. We must not forget that some criminals both foreign and non
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Do you want me to rewrite this article? I'd do start this generally anew, with three general headers dealing with the hostilities against the Jews (short, there's an article on this), against the Caucasian ethnic minorities, and against the foreigners in general (students and migrant workers).
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dynasty and official flag of the Russian Empire until 1914. Russian nationalists often use this flag to show their opposition to "democratic" (meaning pro-Western/liberal) Russian elite (esp. under Yeltsin) who re-introduced white-blue-red flag after the Soviet Union collapse. For example some
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And what about the economic origins of it in the "turbulent 90s?" An economy going down the tubes will cause a lot of people to point fingers at those they feel are responsible, and the unfortunate scapegoats tend to be those different from them. What about cultural references - in film, etc?
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A United Nations expert on racism, Doudou Diene, told a meeting of the Geneva-based UN Human Rights Council on June 11 that there is a "deep dynamic of racism and xenophobia in Russian society which articulates itself in the spread of racist crimes notably perpetrated by neo-Nazi groups," AFP
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There is a section in the article that briefly mentions the beheading of a Tajik and a Dagestani, saying that it was perpetrated by "white Christian Russians". I am not white, nor Christian, nor Russian yet I found this extremely offensive. Also, it shouldn't be in the article. Here's why:
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I agree "prejudices" may be too soft. But "Ethnic conflicts" seems too broad. The article is about poor treatment of non-Russian minorities, discrimination and sometimes violence, but the treatment mainly by "Russians" and Russian authorities of non-Russians specifically due to their being
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Poles have also been victims of ethnic attacks in Russia. Additionally there is some heavy anti-polish literature by nationalist circles published in Russia, including political ideologists from Eurasianism movement for example, who believe destruction of Poland is one of core goals of
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the local cops when we got caught speeding, we had no problems. Individual experiences in as vast a country as Russia may vary. You need to learn to accept others' viewpoints, instead of blindly pushing your own, if you are to continue to edit sensitive articles on Knowledge (XXG).
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for more. "Chukcha" is a funny-sounding word for Russians and is often used as synonym of "dumb". There was a song, supposedly lyrical, with the line in the refrain "and choockcha in choom...", but instead people made a good laugh of it. (choom is chookcha's dwelling, kind of
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Scottish/Irish/English but i feel 100% Canadian. But as I said before, I rather work and co-operate with fellow Russians on Wiki articles. So let’s end this pointless discussion. BTW can you please tell me about the history of the flag (yellow, black, white) ? Thanks
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Xenophobia/racism strongly disagreed. "Nationalism", "ethnic prejudices" may be. Please suggest other versions, but please don't move without consensus. The article "conceals" nothing. In wikipedia we avoid slapping strong words in main titles. Redirects are welcome.
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Ukraine and Kazakhstan I have generally encountered nothing but frienship particularly since I am a fluent Russian Speaker. I have to say that I experienced much more Racism in Continental Europe particularly Poland - how about starting a Racism in Poland Article
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or other publication of this extreme-right author where this word is present in a big numbers. Anyway this particular remark was added to the article to avoid any confusion die to different use of words "Caucasian" and "caucasophobia" in Russian and American
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are definitely an evidence of institutionalized Russo-phobia. As any other form of ethnicity related bigotry it also exists at the street level, but only solid historical facts are those above I think. It should be said though that leaving the events of
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maximum-security prison after being convicted on terrorism charges for planting a homemade bomb on train tracks in the Moscow region. Forty people were injured in the June 2005 blast. Investigators found nationalist books in the defendants’ apartments.
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Northern Caucasians are white, in fact the first registered white humans on earth. Transcaucasians - from the southern caucasians - have a darker skin. Nervertheless Neo Nazis in Russia consider all the Caucasians dark. Why? Because they're stupid.
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I'd say that the term "prejudice" is too mild for the topic of the article. Prejudices it is, like, Estonians speak and think slowly, Ukrainians love bacon and don't like to share it, chukchas are well,... chukchas etc. The article speaks not about
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4. The authorities have also taken other actions that have led protesters in Moscow to draw a parallel between modern Russian initiatives with Nazi Germany's initiatives to round up Jews. It s the uncorrect comparison whithout any cases,sources (
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2) muslim peoples, and 3) different languages: some are regarded as indigenious caucasian languages, while others belong to the Indo-european group (like russian). For example what do Georgians and Chechens have in common, except being "black"?
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I appreciate your conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory, but it is not based in fact. All oil companies are too busy going after free energy inventors, they just can't afford spreading anti-Putin/anti-Medvedev/anti-United Russia POV.
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Then why are so many of them living in Russia? And why more of their people are coming to live in Russia every year? For every foreigner killed, 100 Russians are murdered by those foreigners, but the Media only report the politically correct
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Also note that we refuse to discuss our motivation to write this article; with all due respect the fact that you personally have or have not done something, does not mean that we should follow your example. So please focus on the text of
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So what in the world forces you file VfD and Dispute, or edit and even delete content of pages regarding issues you are not interested with (and hence are not competent about). Would it be Russian politics or Georgian/Dutch art?
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The English version talks about Russian racist-extremists. The Russian page merely talks about "Racism and racial discrimination," definitions of racism, and mainly only examples in the US. They need to be unlinked or edited.
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This usage is unconfirmed in mainstream usage; even worse that the Russian version. Of course, you may stick the tail "phobia" to any word, but to be discussed in encyclopedia the usage may be well-established.
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I object to this new name for purely technical reasons. The article, as it currently stands, is devoted to many ethnic prejudices in Russia of which several are directed to groups which are of the same
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I found this last comment (regarding 'the left') to be completely unnecessary. We can discuss this respectfully and objectively without insulting eachother personally, or making gross generalizations.
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Actually under Yeltsin a lot more ethnic crimes occurred then under Putin. All of the hate groups in Russia got their start under Yeltsin, and then simply rebranded themselves to survive under Putin.
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Georgian freak of nature? That sentence is a frantic effort to ensure foreigners believe that the Caucasus is a region inhabited by 'white' people - whatever that means. Stormfront would be proud.
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No, that is not "political" but rather "ethnic" hatred. They would attack an African with a greater probability than Ilham Aliyev, but the latter is a possible target too. Yes, this is all absurd.
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to learn the "history of cpsu"!!!!" or "... they don't have to study materials of twenty CPSU congresses!" Funny as it is, the phrase reflected the whole set of privileges for foreign students.
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as a matter of fact) and it gave you a right to act as an ulimate almighty master of everything what appears here regarding that part of the World? Is this your point, or we(I) misunderstood it?
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I think this should be mentioned or at least have an article. Its not like the Soviet bullshit game that everyone saw eachother as "internationalists" was anything else but that: bullshit.
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article, but was surprized by everyone wanting to delete it. It will be my first deleted aricle. Now I got it all :-) (Actually, not yet. I was never been blocked.) I'm for something like
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i agree, i did further research on it and i figured that many of them are not 'white' even in the Western sense of the world. HOWEVER, some of them are indeed white, check this site out:
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received a complaint... from Africans.... that this Russian refused to brush their shoes! It turned out that they thought the Russian student was assigned to be a house servant to them.
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Does this racism affect tourist's? Like im an norwegian, would there be a posibility that i could be a victim of a racist attack if i was going to moscow or st. petersburg for 5 days?
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extreme anti-Putin group in Russia (which recently abandoned its neo-Stalinist ideology). Most Russian nationalists rarely use "Commie" flags but rather flag like this for example
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An interesting detail is that Stalin was possibly of Ossetian or Half-Ossetian/Half-Georgian background, and Beria belonged to a particular group of Georgians called Mingrelians.
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1. Caucasophobia is a neologism, introduced in the Russian and Caucasian media (as Кавказофобия)." - where are the soursce and the list of concred newspapers. TV channels etc.?
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source: the person in the interview was speaking about Soviet times from 1980-s, not currently, not in Russia. And it is only 2 minutes of reading. The article is surely biased.
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i would like someone to try to source this claim that "racism against africans can be traced to the soviet union" etc. this is quite a claim to include without a single SOURCE.
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I've nominated this article to be checked for neutrality, because it makes Russians seem bad and paints the minorities as the victim, mentions nothing about immigrants' racism
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even in the countries where they have been a minority. But there is a clear discrimination within Russian society itself based not on the ethnical but on the social scale:
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most statements of fact, as well as implied associated in this article lack sources. In a few days time I will tag and then remove all unsourced info. Relevant policies:
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I agree. And it should start out in the 1990's, not when Putin assumed power. If you rename the article, and include racial data under Yeltsin, I'll drop my protest.
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central asian) groups. To some russians: "these chornye is behaving badly". And to other not so educated russians it would seem like "they are all like that".
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and the bombing of the train from Grozny, or the teenager Artur Ryno who told the police earlier this year he killed 37 people after arrested for one murder.
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This links to an account of an African girl in the Soviet Union. Everything I research indicates biast information is aimed at against Russia sometimes. Danil
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reported by by British Broadcast and radio free liberty sponsored by the US and UK government. Have you any free media reports other than state media? nope--
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5 "Despite overwhelming evidence against them" Does anybody see the list of evidence?If no, please dont write this. Where is the source of information?
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Korea, Vietnam. Compared to these, a handful of caucasians in Moscow is but a tiny sparkle in the overall flame. Does anyone want to write an article?
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Did you read my links ? Its an official national holyday in Georgia with Burjanadze, Saakashvili and Catalikos-patriarch adresses to veterans etc.
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The article is such a mess I don't even know if there's included this dormitory fire in which dozens of foreign students died. (Probably not.)
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If there's no "anti-Russian sentiment" anymore (in the new trend in Knowledge (XXG)), I think this one should be changed accordingly back to
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Nice conspiracy theory. In reality, though, there is no cabal with a purpose of spreading anti-Putin/anti-Medvedev/anti-United Russia POV.
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What is meant with an "Slavic facial appearance"? Among different Slavic peoples there are various facial appearances, let alone Russians!
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Nice conspiracy theory. In reality, though, there is no cabal with a purpose of spreading anti-Putin/anti-Medvedev/anti-United Russia POV.
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Except certain oil companies that Putin kicked out of Russia. The same "powerless" cabal that led the US into a disastrous war in Iraq.
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I do not recall this many racist killings at any point in time during the history of my own country, which is not far away from Sweden.
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If you want to discuss it, okay then. Just argue here please, instead of removing parts of artickle and waiting for our reaction, OK?
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CHECK THIS OUT. Danil <This knows that subjective negative information is used against Russia (unconsiously or conciously): -->
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I would support this. But a question remains: can the ethnically motivated attitudes and violence be classified as "racism"?
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Many people on this website approve of these sorts of attitudes. I think Stormfront is a pretty hilarious website myself.--
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I don't get it, Russians are a recognized Slavic ethnic group, even by Knowledge (XXG), so why this subtle implication ?
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I am half Sri Lankan and half Russian and i am darker than most "Kavkaz" people. I agree with Afro Russian. Danil
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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You stopped reading his valid complaint because you disagree with his personal opinion? That's pretty ignorant.
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Those veteras are our citizens and we obviously care about them. However, that day is not celebrated in Georgia
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It depends on your skin colour. Assuming you are ethnic norwegian, you shouldn't have a problem.
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Once again you are mistaken. Victory Day is celebrated in Georgia on May 9, just like in Russia.
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Also Nazbols are not REALLY racist. A picture of an actual Neo-Nazi would be so much better. --
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Cute. Is this why there is millions of provincials living in Moscow and working good jobs?
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Not entirely the case; hate crimes are still on the rise, especially with the upcoming
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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
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Russian Racists can be also Atheists or Agnostics and Neonazis are always Neopagans.--
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like you said. It is just a fictional day and we don't have parades and we don't burn
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were not Russian nationalists but rather Soviet Communists, in case you didn't know.
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By the way Russia kicked Napoleon and Hitler, not the other way around as you claim.
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is a groundless negative opinion), but about dislike, discrimination, hatred, i.e.,
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on May 9. It was my understanding most Georgians celebrate it with pride as well.
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so possibly you should visit this section at wiki and add your contribution there.
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will better accomplish that goal by using a well-known term to avoid confusion.
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if a Russian guy tries to date a chechen girl her relatives will cut off his head
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which should perhaps evolve into an independent article, now being a redirect to
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The New H.N.I.C.: The Death of Civil Rights and the Reign of Hip Hop by Todd Boyd
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You seriously think people in Russia burn Hitler's pictures on May 9 ? :) ha ha
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Both those sources are reliable, although if they're outdated that's a problem.
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laws, which once forbade whites and blacks from marrying or producing children.
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likes to make up facts, rather then report them. Someone on the left, as usual.
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If you believe the specific link should be exempt from the blacklist, you may
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blame Corsicans for Napoleon and Austrians should be responsible for Hitler.
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If you would like me to provide more information on the talk page, contact
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So outdated - now there are mass terrorist acts and profilic serial killers
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please do not delete this from the article anymore as it is a proven truth
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also both your articles are outdated, one in 2003 and the other in 2007.--
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Sign and date your post. "One of the authors" is not really a signature.
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says he killed over 30, with 53 people killed and 460 injured in 2006
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occupation aside, Russians as an ethnicity rarely suffered from the "
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Obviosly, it is a matter of opinion. Best Wishes from Georgia.
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