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BTW the latest generation of commercial imaging satellites have better resolution than military recon sats did not that long ago. Quickbird has 61 cm resolution. During the Gulf War, SPOT images were voluntarily witheld because of potential military value -- to prevent SPOT's use as a commercial "spy
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For whom is the term more common? In history or polisci classes, they use 'reconnaissance satellite' as well. I know, I have been there. And on TV documentaries, they use the same thing. "Spy satellite" is a negatively charged term that should not be used in an apolitical setting. It's not as if
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