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hypothetically, a course that someone is teaching could be cancelled for any number of valid reasons and the individual could self-publish their own total fabrication of why as a form of retaliation against being effectively fired; and Knowledge doesn't get in the middle of such situations; it avoids that possibility by requiring that an independent third source publish the info or reference first, after which it's basically acceptable for inclusion in an article.  —
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I removed the reference because, as indicated in the edit summary, I was going to re-word the sentence to tie in the reference in which Prof. Bube publishes his own "factual case history of what happened".  I figured that, although it was his own story of what happened, if properly framed in a
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Perhaps if this article is referenced elsewhere (approvingly as to its accuracy of facts), in some truly third-party publication, it can be re-added; but other than under such a circumstance, I just can't see it being acceptable.  The problem is, and I'm not saying it's the case here, but
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Though, I do grant that you do show a lot of talent in copy-editing, I don't think that unsolicited, undiscussed copy-editing really adds all that much to wikipedia. At least nothing to get upset about if another editor has a different view.
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is very clear: "You should not add a descriptive title to an embedded HTML link within an article. … However, you should add a descriptive title when an external link is offered in the References, Further reading, or External links section."
518:, given it was published by a third-party it would still be acceptable; but, while reviewing the publication and trying to better identify the site's credibility, I eventually discovered, as a later review of the article revealed in the 390:
is fairly unclear in this matter. For example, external link sections are almost always separate from reference sections. Nothing in Moslinks supports any sort of removal, simply a change in style. The better guidline is
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intrepretation of guidelines. I strongly disagree with it, especially the fact that you did it without any talk page discussion.
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Editing to comply with policy & guidelines does not require 'solicitation' (nor is that required in any case, per
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mean that "external link sections" aren't "separate from reference sections" -- it means 'the References
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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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What's going on? I mean you don't seem to be acting in a friendly, civil way. For example:
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weak without this information in the introduction, let alone the categories.
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Your response demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the English language.
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and it doesn't support any sort of removal for style violations either. --
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Okay, then what kind of scientist is Bube? This article seems
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Removal of non-compliant material is perfectly normal and is
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Unknown-importance biography (science and academia) articles
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