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Portuguese wiki has the official names as "State of Sao Paulo" and "Municipality of Sao Paulo;" the name of the province came from the city and not vice versa. Sao Paulo should then redirect to the more common English usage, which is the city. All that the move would accomplish is forcing an additional click through to native English speakers seeking to get where they want to go; or a needless redirect. -
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I'd go along with listing just the 10 largest by enrollment. Then what we want to say, is something about what's offered in these institutions, how many total students are enrolled in bacalauriate programs, and in advanced degree programs, professional (medical, law, etc) programs, teacher-student ratios, number of professors, etc. A blank list is nearly useless.
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Campinas form the first macro-metropolis in the Southern Hemisphere appears to be a fairly arbitrary one without much useful comparative weight. What, for example is the precise definition of a 'macro-metropolis'? Does it simply refer to a very large urban conurbation? If so why is Sao Paulo one, but not Jakarta?
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We're already got about two dozen names here, and there are 578 institutions, according to the text. Actually there are quite a few more, including vocational and technical schools, medical schools, and etc. I can add those names, but why would we want to do that? WP:wikipedia is not an almanac.
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Googling the term 'macro-metropolis' exclusively brings up references to
Campinas and Sao Paulo; many are mirrors of this article. I note that the sentence isn't referenced, though from said Google search it appears the term 'macro-metropolis' is a Brazilian government term, so the claim that Sao
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I would propose that if the claim is to remain in place it should a) be referenced; and b) it should be demonstrated on what basis Sao Paulo is distinctive from other massive conurbations in the hemisphere such as
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