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CoolKatt's insistence on additional sub-sectioning the article based on the different ownerships of channel nine are redundant and unnecessary. On first sight, it makes the whole text look disorganized. I reiterate again that he tried to do the same thing with KYW-TV and WCAU and those efforts were
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Could some of these logos be removed? It seems to me that a logo that lasted less than a year doesn't really warrant mention, as it was more a temporary move than a permanent move. My suggestion would be to show the UPN 9 orange/black/white logo and to mention that several variants were used before
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Actually, Milchama never claims (s)he was the one who originally made those claims. (S)he may only be defending that person. Note that (s)he did actually put those back in starting on 7/5, but all other additions of that info, dating back to June, are from IP addresses. That's a long time to not be
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Thirty years ago WOR-TV nearly lost its license because of RKO General's issues. The license was saved by moving the station from NYC to New Jersey. That was a major "prominent controversy" back then, and the FCC was more active in exercising its authority when it came to those things. The fact
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And, while that's certainly true, it doesn't explain where WOR came from in the first place. I looked in the article & don't see where the original callsign came from. So really I have 2 questions: 1) Where did WOR come from, and can it be added to the article 2) Shouldn't that info also be in
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Blueboy96 again rewrites lines and paragraphs that didn't need to be rewritten. He attempts to add more information, but instead he overwrites and ends up adding stuff that really isn't directly pertinent to the main focus of the article. The lines expanding on the aftermath of the UPN-WB merger
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is the official WWOR-TV logo, as it appears on the News
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I know what CK, David Levy, and maybe others will say about this: I am claiming ownership of this article. As hard as it may be for you to believe (especially CoolKatt, the biggest practictioner of WP:OWN), I am NOT. My only focus here is to write in an effective manner that KEEPS IT SIMPLE.
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What hostility? Please, spare me this. As usual, we disagree -- this time on the quality of the image. I feel the JPEG is of a very good quality, and it is the accurate logo. If it came straight from the corporate website, then it's as official as it can get. There are similar logos for
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replacement of the PNG with the JPEG, and that would be equally unhelpful. This is a wiki, so people (including you and me) are going to perform edits to longstanding content. The fact that something was a certain way for some length of time is
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