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I will try to make my edits less anodyne. I agree with most of what you say and find it an invaluable service. I hope we don't lose it but a blow by blow account of outages, which generally don't last long and cause no loss of data, doesn't seem encyclopaedic. It's a free service that is only 99%
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again for us. I apologize for the inconvenience. Once I hear back from the team, I will reach back out. With reference to citing online references, you can just use the URL. Our instructions for authors are being updated to reflect this." So I suppose it's not totally left for dead yet. â
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and it seems to be down again. (On the other hand, the Google "cache" entry is now dated Nov 13, 2010 ... Hmmm ... on 9 November 2010 the Google "cache" entry was dated Nov 6, 2010.) (Could it just be a DNS problem with my ISP? or my subnet? or my PC, or something?)
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