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791:"Origin of matter" leads towards thoughts on matter (atoms, etc), and towards mechanisms of Big Bang etc.. As above the scientists and thinkers referenced are pursuing the much more general question of how come anything at all exists. Also some thinkers believe our existence may be virtual, i.e. matter does not exist.
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Hyperbolick, unfortunately it's not. In the shitshow of contemporary physics, in addition to main one you mention, there's plenty of singularity from nothing, precipitation in ekpyriotic cycles and the like. It's not wall-wall though there's people who
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Nothing, I don't fear; for the books do say the dead do sleep; And in the memory of God, where nothing lives, I think I would not weep. But bring me out of such a slumber, built on dreams of more and a new wish. To take me out of memory thats nothing and to eternity I would be a dish.
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Pour forth forever after; for our bodies only take from something given; The grace of God; forgiveness and the ability to join now the; enliven. For I've been good, I'd cry, and given too, and always tried to learn; Of the very much that came from nothing and the darkness I did spurn.
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For there is a place called nothing, and a place called shadow too, And as the fallen know they stand, in such a place that knew but few. And as God must be, such light that causes shadows, here, to grow; I am but to Him nothing so to this nothing, I must seem first to go.
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Darkness is of nothing; can decrease your joy and touch; darkly dying, In a spiral, of a life devoid of such; that is light and truth and joy, Given by a God above; for joy comes of now a knowing; more of what we touch.
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