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Houghton was indeed Smiley's target. Widener certainly has plenty of hard-to-replace stuff, but nothing really worth stealing since its "Treasure Room" was transferred to
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As before, almost all the edits are marked minor, which they are not, and only two or three have edit summaries. This time, I've reverted step by step, my edit summaries explaining in each case why the change being reverted is inappropriate -- see the edit history -- though I did retain the small
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The number quoted in the article of 3.5 million books must be wrong. My undergraduate school had a library of 2 million volumes, and when I became a graduate student at
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Let's do a little calculation: 6800 Harvard undergrads * 13% claim to have done this (according to one link above) / 4 years to graduate / 365 days in the year / (regular academic year is 8 / 12 months) = 0.9 of such events per day, every day. Sure, yeah, I believe it. Anyway, there certainly is
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Womack was the "Slasher" already mentioned in the article. At first I wrote his name in, but since he's almost certainly still alive and really just a sad (rather than evil) character, I didn't see the point of humiliating him further since including his name doesn't really increase the reader's
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That's neat, but I'm not sure why the opinion of one
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Thing is, the quotes are all well sourced - a lot of them just seem superfluous, and their presence strikes me as giving the impression of a WP:NPOV violation, despite probably not actually being one. Just dropping this here mainly to see if anyone else notices this. If not, I'll drop it.
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NYT September 22, 1912 HARVARD'S NEW LIBRARY -- MEMORIAL TO TITANIC VICTIM; Presented by Mrs. George D. Widener to House the
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That's very kind. But I'm not going to go find that character the next time I want to "point left" or "point right". Please take to heart what I've said about leaving comments alone.
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