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As is so very often there is no reference to Pitts sanctioning of the foundation of
Australia; not a mention of Australia it is high time people woke up. Most of the people mentioned in the Pitt Write up were Subscribers to Gov. Phillips book and were Whaling investors. Whalers being in Botany Bay
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I am removing the bit in the intro claiming Pitt was the financer of the French revolution in revenge for the French King's support for the
American rebels in the American War of Independence - as this doesn't sound likely - a) Pitt was sympathetic to the American cause, and like his father opposed
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make this article seem biased in his favour, painting him as a hero. If it is to be completely unbiased then his only criticism cannot be his personality; that he was solitary! He was highly controversial in his day! Please include the less socially friendly aspects of his career, such as the huge
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The modern Tory Party traces its continuous history to the coalition which Pitt put together in 1794 (the Duke of
Portland became Home Secretary and brought the Portland Whigs with him - this doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article unless I've missed it), but my understanding is that the name
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I agree - it is appalling that this article makes no mention of the invasion and white settlement of
Australia. Pitt presided over the establishment of one of the largest colonies to ever exist and one of the largest land thefts in history (the denial of sovereignty and land rights of Indigenous
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Given that it's a "meteoric rise" in the modern British government to be a junior minister in your early 30's, I think it's safe to say that this record will probably never be broken. It's actually fairly typical of the 18th century(if you were born in the right family); look at the ages of both
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