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also be removed. If the popular culture section in the article is to remain find a supporting article that talks about the cultural relevance of IP man and including it within the pop culture section would add relevance as well as additional information from the video on Tekken. Without narrative, however, these do nothing to explain what whig chung is and are predominantly using the wing chun martial art page to promote these brands rather than explain wing chun.
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from her father and, from their raw material, created a new style after seeing a fight between a snake and a crane. She married Leung Bok-chao (梁博儔), a
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Oppose, I think cultural impact of martial art is relevant knowledge. Both pop culture and martial arts go hand-in-hand and is relevant in development of both. Also, I've noticed you've been going on a delete bonanza recently - did you acquire any concensus from the guys at
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Well done TrickShotFinn, Leung was another text partially available in Google Books that I had in mind. Although his book might be be criticised by some editors on WP as being from a self-published source, he is regarded as an expert in the field and has published other books on the subject, and
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This is how the list of practitioners is done currently as well so the format should be consistant within the article page. I agree with
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