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school sites on the web, each with their own take), a link to an article by Yip Chun (which I've seen in
English before, but thank you), a picture of Leung Jan's house (which while a wonderful picture, does has nothing to do with this conversation), a Wushu page that simply repeats the same contested Yimm Wing Chun history, and a dead link. And once again, you have not provided a reference for those dates - other people record different dates as well.
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change referenced sections and make accusations. Just because you're unfamiliar with something does not mean people are "changing a family name". I've provided references where both have been used in the family and by whom. I've also tried to reach compromises with you by working to include your concerns and reword them so that they follow
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I'm quite familar with Leung Jan, thank you. And the links you gave didn't give any information to support what you've been pushing for, not did it say anything different from what I've been saying. You gave a link to two people's school sites (which is no more verifiable than the hundreds of other
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B) Lai Miu-Hin's father being a hung gar sifu also has no bearing. Many of the sifu were sifu's or practitioners in other arts before their study of wing chun. There's no point to bringing that up, other than to try and imply this somehow has some bearing on why they were using those characters for
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D) Someone's sifu has no bearing on editing on
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C) As the main reference states, the engilsh phonetic spelling of "Weng Chun" is simply being used to differentiate the characters for non-chinese speaking people. I.e. people that are are used to reading only english. It denotes nothing else that you're implying, and is not being used to state a
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I disagree, because we "control" to strike. Most would consider it as a striking and "trapping" art. And then, everyone does kicks as well. Which is why the original box was actually more accurate. Nate's the one who put up "Hybrid" as a compromise, which I also agree doesn't sound right. I'm
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I am tempted to drop the article down to Start class mainly because of the lack 2of sources but also because of the appearance. It is just messy. The pronounciation box interferes with the Table of contents and the wiki-tables (although I can see what was attempted) are just ugly. As it is I've
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A) The fact the pages I provided in this discussion are from one source are irrelevant. Sources for all information are included, and you can contact the author of that reference site (a published author on wing chun history). When people died are also irrelevant, every wing chun notable talked
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I'n sorry, but that's not true. Where is your reference that Wing Chun first became known because of Leung Jan? Documentation of wing chun notables begin around the taiping rebellion. Not all lineages go through Leung Jan either, please stop trying to push your opinion as the defacto standard
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All the pages are made in resent years by a single souce,seems to be the students of Pan Nam,He is the first one in Foshan teach (his own style)Wing Chun after banned for nearly 40 years. they mixed Lok Kam Weng Chun(永), Lai Miu-Hin's Hung Kuen with Pan Nam,s Wing Chun.It is not the Leung Jan,s
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That's correct, this page is for information on Wing Chun as a whole, not a place for your personal views and opinions on what is or is not wing chun or rewriting history on word useage. Likewise, its not a place for "永春 men", its an encyclopedia. You're the one that's coming in and trying to
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different art. When a different art is being discussed, the full art is mentioned (i.e. Jee Shim Weng Chun). Judging by your writing style, I can tell you're not a native english speaker/writer. So I can understand why you're getting confused by these conventions.
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Actually, they are different style of kungfu.Maybe Some guys want to make money by useing the name of 'Wing Chun', they confuse the other with Yong Chun,or 'Shaolin what what', or 'Chisin what what'.Ask thoese guys who is their Sifu and
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She was a Hung Kuen Sifu before the marriage.After marriage, Yiu-Min go back to Foshan,left she in ShanTak.Until 1932, Yiu-Min brought his 3 sons and daughter to
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Wing Chun is first known because of Leung Jan. Before that times, you should use 'Red Boat Weng Chun','Weng Chun','Hung Kuen' or other else.Wing Chun have only one family, so one family name.--
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has done a great job is explaining the editorial policies of this page. We are all here to make sure information in this encyclopedia are correct and relevant.
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It is upto you. All the reference are from a single source of a advertising web page, the
History is wrong. The Chinese Wiki pages have already pointed out.----
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