Talk:Tallinn - Knowledge (XXG)

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was an ancient Aesti wooden Hillfort at the rock of Toompea called Kavevi. Name Kolywan is the Slavonic version written down in Kieva (Kywa) by Nestor and other monks. If there was not a Hillfort so why the Rurik Dynasty Prince from Kieva would laid a siege of it in 1030 "when he captured all the land except Kolyvan and opened the sea for the Rus, baptized whole Korela (Karelia) and destroyed all the pagans in Beloozero / Valgiajärv (White Lake)" by later written nonsense of Kievan monks. May I point out the following from Rambaund´s text: Another song of Weisland (Whiteland) as Esthonia was called. Thus, how can a monk in Kieva, never visited in the area, separate several Valgiajärvis / Beloozeros to the correct one? If the land was called Whiteland also the Great lake was called Valgiajärv ie. Whitelake before named to Lake Peipus or Peipsijärv the lake of White Eyed Chouds who mined iron and copper on its shores. As described by Nestor and his fellowers: The Great Novgorod started to mine iron and copper on the shores of the sea. This in 1030, according to the monk caves in Monastery in Kieva. There is even attempt to make the whole sea to "Sea of Rus". There was infact copper mined in Vasknarva at the Neck of Naarva River by the Tshouds as Rambaud continues: It is close to the poem where "raudamched" in Tchoud language are described: No iron cannot penetrate their armour,nor the axe break it. Even today the Russian call the Great Lake Tshudovskoje ozero.

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just happens to be the central spot of Estonian mythology (in the Estonian mythology, the national hero Kalevipoeg was buried there .. the hill it is built on was constructed by his mother as a monument.) The square it was built on carried the name "square of power" till the construction of Nevski Cathedral, it was built right beside the toompea castle, the historical center of Tallinn, in order to overtower it. That all .. and it was built as Russian as a building could possibly be. It was definitely built as a symbol as of who will be in power in Tallinn in future, most Talliners still don't appreciate that thought. Also by now, most Tallinn Estonians really don't dig it from my own experience. They especially dislike it when people from the west see it as a "typical" monument of Tallinn without noticing just what its symbolic meaning is for them. I'm guessing it was removed by a random pissed off person due to its implications that might have prefered a picture of Niguliste church there instead but didn't want to bother finding one.

1310:"proto-Estonians" just as often fought alongside each other against "proto-Germans" as vice versa. Few examples would include 1217 campaign and siege of Otepää, 1223-1224 duke Vyachko's campaign to help "proto-Estonians" to defend Tartu. Pskov support for "proto-Estonian" St.George's night uprising in 1343. Even more important is the fact what "Russification" campaign of the 1880s and 1890s in Estonia was not directed at Estonians. It was directed at the Germans who dominated the region at the time. At the same time as German barons and German and Jewish townspeople of Tallinn were "Russified" by the construction of St. Nevsky Cathedral , Estonians who were mostly rural people (may be large part of Tartu's residents but certainly not Tallinn's) were for the first time educated not in German but now in Estonian and Russian which most of them at the time was saw as progress. 1119:) explicitly meant to be symbolically in the face of the Estonians, too - just as ANC was designed to be, primarily, in the face of the Baltic Germans. (The latter is a key part and is, curiously, not mentioned in the separate article at all.) (Oh, and even the Three Panthers, now Lions, are actually the appropriated coat-of-arms of an occupying power... :-)) And I've really never have heard any complaints of unruly tourists in the ANC (which, admittedly, is the one significant building on Toompea one can actually enter for free). Anyway, I'd actually rather see a picture of the Occupation Museum or, even though it's about as ugly as the ANC, the KUMU here, and one doesn't 1073:

and the Baltics. When we visited Tallinn last year, of course we visited the ANC. It's a part of the city and its history: as is the Kadriorg Palace, the TV tower, etc. As visitors, we knew that it was built as a colonial symbol, but it still adds to the interest of the whole Old Town. IMHO, it's a shame that a place that's significant to 28% of Tallinners (ethnic Russians) can't be shown in the article (although it does have its own). Personally, I'd be more irritated by the fake Irish pub on Raekoja plats. Perhaps this discussion needs a mention in the article, as it's clearly an aspect of local attitudes and life.

3855:"Tallinn was founded in 1248, but the earliest human settlements are over 5,000 years old, making it one of the oldest capital cities of Northern Europe" -- The 5000-year old finds are from the Neolithic Comb Ceramic culture, which did not build cities and had no capitals, so the claim is rather absurd. Stone Age finds are known from the surroundings of all Scandinavian capitals (with the natural exception of Reykjavik) and many other cities, but none of them claim that their status AS CITIES derives from this period. Whether or not London qualifies as "Northern Europe" is another question altogether.-- 1933:'Olympic hotel' = 'olümpiahotell', in the same vein as 'Olympic village' is 'olümpiaküla', while hotel names should be referred to their current, original or the shortest non-ambiguous name, preferably with quotes (to evade ambiguity); "Olümpia" as such fits fine. Calling the hotel Olympic (like that) is not very appropriate either, because construction of the building was completed only in 1986, by which time the Olympic Regatta was already history. Neither is your English good enough to support your viewpoint and I find that your substantiation is therefore weak. - 2092:

It's also visually interesting. Of course, then we should note its significance and the divided views. A personal view: some of the photos add little. There are two virtually identical rooftop views (pretty, but one's enough!) and an indistinct harbour view. We need some shots of, for example, city transport and suburban buildings, old and new. Tallinn is not all old town and Hansa heritage; shots of Toompea, Kadriorg and some of the Soviet era buildings would also be informative. Come on, you Tallinners!! Sadly my own photos aren't good enough.

579: 1369:) refer to "Reval". However, since there is also a dominance issue, people on Knowledge (XXG) who feel that there is an imperialist point in Germans calling Gdansk Danzig (look at the discussion there) also think that one should not use German names for non-German, or not-anymore-German, places. Estonians who deal with these matters at all generally do not share this feeling; Lennart Meri, Jüri Kuuskemaa, Jaan Kross, etc., when they speak or write German, generally use, I think, "Reval" or "Reval/Tallinn". 1614:

was never a separate town in its own right, but just one part of the town of Narva. There are many other similarly non-vowel-ending parts of other Estonian towns, for example, in Tallinn, one can find Pelgulinn and Kadriorg, and in Tartu there is Supilinn and Annelinn, etc.). So the vowel-ending rule to which Tallinn is the one and only exception applies to names of populated places as a whole, ranging from villages to large towns. However, there are some more exceptions when it comes to, e.g., islands (-

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ANC (with appropriate caption) give the reader a better or worse understanding of Tallinn? I think we may be missing some good pictures, but I think like Folks said, some of the current ones could go as well, so there probably is ultimately room for ANC. However, since ANC is really quite uncharacterisitic of Estonia's architecture and culture, I think the caption should in some way note ANC's circumstances, otherwise the reader may be left with the wrong impression. --

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visually, (b) as a historical symbolical monument and (c) for the Russian-speaking population as well (surely more than 28% of Tallinners, btw). It cannot be a criterion, as Nuffle claims, that "Estonians" feel no attachment to it to not include it here. Amazing, too, that ANC is juxtaposed to the medieval architecture of Old Town, which after all is about equally non-Estonian as ANC (it is mostly German, of course - some noble, some bourgeois), and some of it (

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Estonia including it's capital was shortly occupied by Imperial Germany during WWI. And under the German occupation the town surely wasn't called anything but Reval. Only after the Revolution in Germany and the withdrawal of the German troops from Estonia if became possible to start calling the town 'officially' Tallinna/Tallinn again. So it would be great if someone could dig up some sources that would clarify this thing.--

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the Russification in 1890s effectively restricted the usage of Estonian language at the primary level, and altogether blocked the usage of Estonian at any level above primary education. From a contemporary Estonian perspective, it was certainly not seen as progress (unlike the restriction of the rights of the Baltic German aristocracy, which at the time was seen as partial progress of sorts by many Estonians). Cheers, --

374: 233: 3570:...Even after the Danes left, many Estonians continiued to use the name Tallinn while almost everyone else preferred Reval. It was only in 1918 after independence from Russia that Reval was totally dumped. For a while both Tallinn and Tallinna were then used. In 1925 Tallinna was declared official, but soon after Estonia changed its mind and in 1933 talinn became the final name for the nation's capital city. 513: 489: 3284:(Rock oil), but it could very well be the Genitive form...And in sentences they act as Nominative (in grammatic - they are Nominative, the Genitive form is just the name). But for example Tallinn's Airport, we say 'TallinnA lennuväli', this means that Tallinn is the only place name to be in Nominative (makes sense, because the nominative form of 'town' in Estonian is 'linn' and the Genitive 'linna'). 264: 2499: 2195:, to be a reaction to 250 years of Russification and attempted suppression of Estonian identity. That's understandable. But to me, the ANC is an architecturally distinctive building that represents Russification (I may add something about this to the article) and a significant ethnic and religious minority (surely significant aspects of Tallinn). Space considerations have not prevented 2494: 4075:

unlikely that Estonia produces more energy from oil shale even if Narva Electric Station produces 80% of country energy from oil shale - the scales of economies of the USA and Estonia are just almost incomparable. Since Eesti Energy is a player on the USA oil shale market as well via its subsidiaries it is theoretically possible to be the first but it needs to be sourced.

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respect for rules and regulations set by the Orthodox Church. Maybe of little relevance, yet I think this is important enough to educate about. Perhaps much bigger attraction for tourists, should be the Town Square, located in the old town. This region is not only pleasant to the eye, but is also close to many 'a pub. I'll try finding a photo of it on the interweb.

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witness to the building of the ANC in Tallinn in 1894-1900. Unfortunately, the architecture which in Tallinn most distinctively represents large-scale Russification and the largest Russian immigrant community in Estonia is not that of ANC, but the skyline of the 9- and 16-storey buildings of the large Soviet-era suburb of Lasnamäe.

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branding, particularly for tourism and culture. And yes, Tallinn is definitely as a commodity and a brand, as are all cities and even countries (most European countries have a logo of some sort that is used to represent them at trade and tourism fairs). The official site of the Tallinn City Hall uses the logo, see

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and some of us don't. The extensive list of Russian and Christian Orthodox articles you've started/written clearly indicates that you think ANC is quite important. As is stands now, the picture is on the page, and I think that's fine since the article has grown so much and now has some extra room on it. --

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I think the point of this discussion should be whether the inclusion of an image of ANC makes the article better. I think we have established that it ANC is significant enough to be a candidate for a picture. Are there other pictures more significant that we're missing? Does including a picture of

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Immigrant? I mean there was actually a country with embassy in Russia that they went to ask for a visa to immigrate?! Those people were moving within their own country that has been a part of their state for well over 250 years. The fact that someone has a stronger tribal identity or is obsessed with

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Well, almost all "German" names of Estonian places are Estonian by orgin (what else should the Germans use?), but they were then used and applied by the Germans, and if there was another Estonian version or alternative, during certain times of national identity-construction, it was thought to be more

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The origin of all modern nation-states can be traced back to no earlier than the beginning of the 19th century. Tracing the origins of modern Russia and Estonia in the the 13th or 10th century is good enough for cocktail party conversation, but not a serious academic exercise. By the way, at the time

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fought against Germans and Swedes who at the time invaded both Baltics and Russia. But its intresting how people can change history to adopt to their modern political agenda, forgetting about the facts that 1) Alexander Nevsky never attacked Estonia 2) At the time Alexander Nevsky Cathedral was built

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also please Mr Kenney don't erase my discussion pages from the discussion page and provide explanation for the reversal and actually including this German/Swedish name and what is the historic link between Estonia and that German name and again don't ERASE this legitimate discussion, Who do you think

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I've added a section recently on notable people from Tallinn. Contributor 27.32.240.206 has taken steps to hide the section although not, I'm please to say, deleted it. He/she says the new section "clutters" the article. Many cities listed in Knowledge (XXG) include a section on notable people. What

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article, which I disagree to. The idea is good but the Template is faulty by nature, allowing only certain dimensions for images and an inflexible layout. There's no point of uploading and congesting Commons with cropped versions of multiple pictures just to be able to use the template. As stated in

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Indeed. It seems the age of a city isn't a clear-cut concept. And the only times it has been the capital of a sovereign state are seemingly 1918–1940 and 1991–present, though looking through the times Estonia was a subnational entity as well it seems Tallinn (tka Reval) was its capital as early as

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If these are two separate pieces of information (1: "skype is ..." and 2: "First venture ..."), they could be in different sentences. Or is there a connection? "Skype is the first venture ..."? And I don't think the first venture capital firm was founded so late, I'm sure it was much earlier. I even

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Ethnic Russians? Ethnicity is of irrelevance in Russia, unlike the Esths Russians - or the French - do not define themselves in terms of ethnicity - the fact is that Esthonia was a part of Russia (its borders do not coincide with today's ethnonazi statelet though), and the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral

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As a side remark, when it comes to the suggested (somewhat dubious) rationale of making sure that every significant Christian minority has a picture of one of its churches in the Knowledge (XXG) article on Tallinn, then surely the majority (Lutherans) should be represented as well. At the moment, no

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A few minor corrections. Estonia may have been under Russian or Soviet rule for 250 years, but there was no significant Russification before 1890s. The vast majority of the ancestors of those ethnic Russians who live in Estonia today did not even live in Estonia at the time, never mind being able to

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No. Controversy shouldn't be a criterion for censorship. As a recent tourist, I'd say if a building is sufficiently noteworthy (architecturally or historically), then it should feature. Russification in the 20th century is of historic interest and the ANC, among other buildings, is relevant to this.

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Start deletion? This article is thin enough as it is. Though I'm all for professionalism, I say rather than rewording, there shouldn't be much change. People who look up this article here, will most likely be interested in these attractions, or generally any attractions the city has to offer. Again,

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Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, beautiful as it is by itself, was built at the turn of the 19th and 20th century and is about as representative of (Old) Tallinn as the beautiful grand mosque by Regent Park is representative of the history and architecture of London. The picture of the Regent Park mosque

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I agree, Nevski should go. It is an important building and it is in Estonia, however I don't think it is something that the Estonians feel any cultural attachment to. Estonians are proud of the medieval architecture and beautiful old town, though, and I think it would be better to feature an image

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This probably is a highly individual thing, I managed to insult a fair share of Estonians though on my first visit to Tallinn by having been impressed ;) .. the explenation I got was that it was intentionally built on the highest spot in central Tallinn when the Russian Empire was in charge .. which

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PS. I'd also like to see a source saying that originally in 1918 Reval was renamed as Tallinna and only later it became spelled as Tallinn. After all in 1918 it was only possible to hold 'officially' the name Tallinna for just about an half a day. After Estonia declared independence on February 24,

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This is how the correct history goes. Short describtion of Alfred Rambaund´s "Russia" (1900): "In the north Kolyvan was bought from the king of Denmark, after the fiercest disputes. Under its rock lies Kolyvan, a Titan hero of Finnish Tchoud-Esthonians. Kalevy-poeg or "the son of Kalev". Thus there

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Certainly not me. Not the point at all, was not even aware of St Olave's denomination, had assumed it to be Lutheran. (Corrections noted, "3 Löwi".) The point I tried (and apparantly failed) to make is that the pictures, IMHO, could be a better impression of Tallinn. That's it. BTW, A problem here,

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it is somewhat inaccurate in that Kingisepp was and is a Soviet/Russian placename for a town that has always been situated in Russia, whereas the Estonian town of Kuressaare was called Kingissepa during the post-WW2 Soviet period (after the same communist activist). Jaanilinn, when part of Estonia,

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Also known by its German name Rewal? in the first sentence of the article? Isn't that a little over the top? I never heard that name in my life. What is the relationship between any German speaking state and Estonia? If someone proves there was one, the German name should stay but not in this form

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That's incorrect. The Estonian word for Denmark is, and I think has always been, "Taani". And although there are divergences about the root of the city name (mostly for political, rather than philological reasons), the "Taani" thing is, for a change, not disputed. Look at the Royal Danish Embassy

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Two very basic points. In 1890s, when ANC was built, Estonians were already the single largest ethnic group amongst the residents of Tallinn (followed by Germans and Russians; the number of Jewish townspeople was rather insignificant in comparison). The impact on the usage of German language aside,

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As you said, only 10% of Estonians are Orthodox Christian. I don't think you're going to convince me that it is a landmark treasured by the average Estonian, but as I said, that isn't really the point. The point is whether we as wikipedians feel the picture adds value to the page. Some of us do,

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very London. Our city has absorbed so many faiths and peoples over the years that, to me, the Mosque is another symbol of our variety and tolerance. It's not in the London article, I suspect, because there's just not enough space to be fully representative. BTW, the latest "invasion" is from Poland

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Also if the term Reval is dated, it might be good to keep it there just since in anything historical, Reval will be the term to look for / is a term that is most definitely significant enough to mention .. and a name most educated Estonians are quite aware of since Tallinn was just "their" name for

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I disagree. A building that is so debated as the ANC surely has greater significance for a place today (rather than for its architectural history) than some currently inoffensive landmark. (All Old Town, actually, has had an 'offensive' quality, partially even intended, for Estonians and non-noble

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The toponymy section lists previous names Kolyvan (Qlwn, Qalaven), Lindanisa (Lyndanisse, Lindanäs, Ledenets), Reval (Rääveli, Rafala, Revel) and says the name Tallinn replaced Reval in "1918-20". But it's not clear whether this was the first time the name Tallinn was used, or whether it had been

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There are many reasons, why I personally think this picture (Alexander Nevski Cathedral) shouldn't be included. Apart from representing the religion of the minority, which also happens to be a hot issue in Estonia, the Alexander Nevski Cathedral has been overrun by tourists, who have little or no

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Eero Kuussaari: Suomen Suvun Tiet (1935) "The Power of Kalevalaiset (Kalevaisten) is mentioned also in Anglo-Saxon Beowulf song which was written down c. 500 AD. There appear also in addition to Attila, Ermanarik, etc others also as the King of Finns under name Caelic which is transliteration of

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Estonia's elites were Germans from the 14th to the early 20th centuries. It was part of the German-speaking state of the Teutonic Knights until the 16th century, and after that those same Baltic German elites continued to dominate under Swedish and Russian rule. The city was primarily known in

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Surely no magic transformation happened with Russian state in early 19th century since it was the same Empire ruled by the same dynasty as it was in the 17th century. But this besides the point. More to the point there are some historic facts you are ignoring: Historically "proto-Russians" and

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Tallinn does indeed have a logo. So does London (I can't find a link to it now, but it's the one that reads LONDON, with the ON in blue and the LOND in red). These logos are not equivalent to the city's flag or coat of arms, which are heraldic symbols, but are rather used in the local council's

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Your curiosity is rather appreciated. If the confusion is only about the correct spelling of Tallinn, then both examples will be equally useful. However, in another possible (albeit less likely) case where someone is confused whether Tallinn and Tallinna indeed denote the same place, or whether

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Regarding my recent edit: To be precise, the suffix -a in Tallinna may actually denote either genitive, partitive or illative, depending on context. Perhaps pre-emptively reducing some confusion with the example of the airport is somewhat more useful than the zoo. As for ChiLlBeserker's comment

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Reval is, as so often, both a historical and a non-local name of Tallinn. Historical, in that it was used from the early middle ages through 1900 in German as well as in English, French, etc.; non-local, in that it simply is the German name, just as "Monaco" is the Italian name for München and

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Yes there is, it's quite a common letter actually .. it just doesn't appear at the beginning of words. Words in Estonian always start with hard consonants, making some foreign lones look somewhat "odd" to non-Estonian eyes. Like bank, taken from german, is "pank" .. bilet, taken from french is

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Estonian, were called Esths. Don't invent history. The Cathedral does not reporesent the religion of a minority but that of one more than one third of the city's inhabitants. It is pathetic to see how Estonian ethnofascists manage to harness Knowledge (XXG) to engage in their usual censorship.

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There was no Estonia when Alexander Nevsky Cathedral was built. There were no people called Estonians in 1890s (Estonian was a Russian or a German or anyone since most normal humans don't define themselves strictly in terms of ethnicity. The rural folk who spoke the Finno-Ugric language-modern

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Fisenko, I was using the word "attachment" in the sense of "fondness," not merely an association. Simply because some percentage of Estonians have a heritage relating to a religion, does not mean they are fond of the ANC. However, to address your earlier point (and disregard your insult) and

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I have looked throgh this report but failed to find any ranging of the world oild shale companies. The report is also very old - 2007 while the oil shale revolution in the USA happens after 2010. Since a significant percentage of the USA-produced oil and natural gas comes from shale it highly

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I would remove that whole bit, as the source is not the greatest possible, not to mention Engrish sentences. The claim itself feels rather dubious as well - there is a good chance that human habitation was at Tallinn's location way before London (hill with a port near it vs floodplain), but I

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I think it's amazing that this discussion can go on like that; I don't think it reflects even patriotic sentiment in Estonia anymore. I myself think the ANC is really kitschy, but it's a significant part of Tallinn, whether some of its inhabitants like it or not - as has been pointed out, (a)

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Just a minor clarification, Nuffle, the old town ruins on your last photo resulted from Soviet (fire)bombing of Tallinn in March 1944, in which about one third of the rest of the city also burnt down. So I took the liberty to change the explanation to your pic-link. (Germans did not bomb any

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on some sign means "Tallinn's" or "to Tallinn", then having read the airport (public transportation)-related example could probably one day provide more useful to someone in reaching the plane, bus, train, etc. in time (in comparison to not being late to the only zoo in the area:) Cheers,

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Thank you, but I think the question that you want to answer is not the one that I want to ask! I am not surprised to learn that all or most place-names end in vowels; that's true in many languages. I am not surprised to learn that the genitive (of at least some nouns) adds a vowel.

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Finnish Kaleva, Estonian Kalev-Regu, and Lithuanian Kalvis (blacksmith). Born in Kalerva estate, our famous shine in the high hard rock in the land of Viru Isthmus. Son of heroes lineage. King of Poimari, guard of silver island, to the king of the Karielas. (Karjalan kuninkahaksi)".

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the town historically, not the name internationally known. It's also a name you'll find all over the place in Tallinn on old buildings and signs. Reval should be mentioned somewhere in the article, yes. If it should be mentioned towards the top of the page is debatable. - ChiLlBeserker

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is an official Knowledge (XXG) policy, and said rewording is not simply in the name of professionalism but a Knowledge (XXG) standard. A method of presenting that section can be worked out that will be acceptable to both policy and the need of the user for relevant information.

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In the beginning of the first republic there actually was a sort of dispute, how to name the capital. Either Tallinna or Tallinn. And they stuck with Tallinn(doh). At the moment, in Estonia Tallinn is the absolutely only name of city, town or village, that ends with

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Well, it might mean the name is in Genitive case, but I am not sure about every name...See, in Estonian many words end with a vowel and their Genitive form is exactly the same as Nominative form. Some towns have a 'translation' into modenr Estonian - as it is with

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Tallinn was mostly built under German and Swedish rule and got its "international fame" as a member of the Hanseatic league - as Reval. Tallinn left Swedish Rule around 1800 when being taken over by Russia .. Russia used the name Reval too though prior to Estonian

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I live in Germany and went to Tallinn with a group of German speakers in 2002. I never heard anyone in the group ever refer to the city as "Reval", the way they certainly would have called Prague "Prag" or Warsaw "Warschau". Everyone always called it "Tallinn".

1197:, either: the elephant remains in the room. The illustration may go or stay— how instinctively censorship comes to the surface everywhere in post-Soviet Eastern European discourse!— but the symbolic cultural occupation of traditional sacred high ground— compare 4165:

As "linn" is generally an independent word (meaning "town"), the stress is on both the "Tal-" and "-linn" parts, but as a general rule in Estonian, the stronger stress is on the first syllable. As an Estonian, I think the pronunciation given in the article is

1205:. No doubt about it, the cathedral was very pointedly named by the Tsarist regime after the Russian duke who attacked Estonia in the 13th Century. Several historical perspectives come together here, and demanding that they be ignored, by editors claiming to 4211:

The addition of the climate table is standard in many cities (e.g Paris, London, Buenos Aires) since it summarized detailed climate data in an easy to read format. In many cases, it is a better alternative to using prose to mention the average by month.

4136:. The "a" is pronounced as the "o" in "bother", and the "i" is a weak "ee" sound. The consonants "ll" and "nn" are long, and get held a bit longer than their short versions "l" and "n" (they do not modify the pronunciation of the vowels as in English). 1151:-- That's an amazingly ignorant comment. About 30 % of Estonian citizens have Orthodox Christian heritage ( inlduding at least 10 % of ethnic Estonians and close to 50 % of Tallinn residents) , how on earth Estonians have no cultural attachment to it ? 1258:

Fisenko is equally incorrect. At the time of Alexander Nevsky there was no such country as Russia either. It is interesting to see how Russian nationalist agenda compares to Estonian nationalist agenda when it comes to talking about history. Cheers,

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Someone is constantly changing the pictures of the City to right without notifying anyone on the talk page. This is an act of vandalism, please state why you are changing the pictures before doing so. I have redone the changes back to how it was

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My parets have recently returned from Tallinn, back to England, and brought with them a silver ornament of a rat, laughitng with a round belly. They believe it is symbolic only to Tallinn as they were sold a lot in Tallin. What is this symbol?

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A very murky sentence, indeed. I added a __fact__ tag to the sentence. Skype itself was founded around 2002-2003, while Fotki.com began in 1998. Maybe it was meant that the first Estonian-founded (and -owned) venture capital firm was founded in

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of Nevsky, the (proto-)Germans did not invade what is now Estonia, but had already done so. The proto-Estonians fought alongside the proto-Germans against Nevsky's troops (incl. in the famous Battle on the Ice of Lake Peipus in 1242). Cheers, --

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I'm not sure this rises to the level of censorship. In most city articles it isn't possible to include every building of architectural significance or historic importance. With so many options, why not use images supported by the consensus?

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is not featured in Knowledge (XXG) article on London, so for the sake of consistency and common sense the ANC picture is already as good as it gets in its own dedicated Knowledge (XXG) article, but rather redundant in this article. Cheers, --

3260:. Is there a rule against sentences in which the subject is a place-name? Or is it customary to list place-names (on maps and indices) in the genitive? Or can I reasonably suppose that the person who added the parenthesis was confused? — 1742:, and most likely was also the more used version among native estonians (not influenced by german speaking upper class) before. (And not considering german Reval and russian Koluvan (most likely sourced from estonian/finnish names Kalevan)) 2575:

page, Kiel is twinned with Tallinn. Indeed, I seem to remember seeing something like that on the city signs there; can anybody shed any light on this (and add it to the section on the Tallinn page or remove it from the Kiel one)? Cheers!

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former "Tallinn Pedagogical University", but also EHI (Estonian Institute of Humanities), Institute of History, Baltic Film and Media School (SIC!) and many other institutions that joined and now are called "Tallinn University".

3707:? I would love to contribute to its wonderful new beginning. Although I wasn't born there, I spent 3 amazing years living inside the old city working as a carpenter / electrical engineer for a local construction company. Word, ( 2517:

The logo is a city shiluette of tallinn, and a reflection of the shiluette on the sea. In together forming something that might look like audio wave in some sound editor. That's probably where the slogan comes from on the logo.

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If the word "Estonians" applies to all the citizens of Estonia (as it would in most countries of the world), many Estonians are clearly "fond of the ANC", since it is the most popular Orthodox Christian cathedral in Tallinn.

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Thanks 3 Löwi. Your changes look great to me. Simply out of curiousity though, what makes the lennujaam example more useful than the loomaaed example? I don't speak Estonian, so the nuances are probably lost on me.

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it's "better to just create a single montage image and upload it to wikicommons" to avoid issues regarding browser compatibility. I haven't come across any other city article that would use the same template besides

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I reverted some of Boothy443's revision, as some of the removed text was good wikipedia material. I re-added information about the ferry lines operating in the port, and links to the Tallinn airport and seaport.

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Native estonians did not have stone "castles", but they did have fortifications called 'linnus'-es. And it is undisputed fact that before Danes there was local coastal trading 'town' with central fortification -

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Teletorn (TV tower) is highest structure. Currently the highest building in Tallinn (And in Estonia) is and will remain the St. Olaf-s church because it is not allowed to build higher buildings than the church.

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Just out of curiosity: is Tallinn a commodity of some kind to have a logo? Does London have a logo? Or is it a logo of a local radio station (as it seems to be)? And if it is, does it have to be in the article?

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St. Alexander Nevsky Cathedral is "uncharacterisitic of Estonia's architecture" only if someone does not consider culture of 1/3 of Estonian population to be worthy of any consideration. By the way there is an

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I have heard nothing of that Estonian tribe. And most supposedly the name of that county comes from the name of city. The name "Reval" is from 14. century, just as germans in Tallinn. It has to be german name!

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In the early 1920s, the official spelling of the city name was changed from Tallinna to Tallinn, making the new name notable since Estonian-language place names always end with a vowel (denoting the genitive

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Though I personally would opt for the third picture suggested by Nuffle above (one with the tower - it just signals Tallinn to me like nothing else), i welcome this change! Nice trivia on the note also! :)

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is as representative of Reval's architecture as is ... pick the building. Attempts to censor not just history but even city are appalling though typical of what is going on in that former Soviet republic.

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Also we need to explain by what criteria Eesti is the world biggest: oil shale resources, oil shale production, electricity produced, market capitalisation, number of employees, etc. It is not clear now

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There has been no snowfall in Tallinn during these months. According to the Estonian weather service at the end of September snow in Estonia was registered only in northeastern Estonia not in Tallinn.

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Don't worry there's no issue it was my mistake entirely, Socks have been adding climate boxes to various articles and I thought this was the case here (I had looked at the wrong diff!), I've apologized

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The aristocracy of Livonia was primarily Baltic German, and the external link you provided makes this quite clear. Simple calling a group "Estonian Knighthood" implies in English that they are ethnic

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wrote a bachelor's study in 2003 about venture capital in Estonia and included a part about Estonian venture capital providers. What's the source of "first venture capital firm was founded in 2005"?

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Cheers, 3 Löwi. Please pardon me, too, I replaced the existing pic with a personal picture of Olav, which is higher resolution, and also shows some surrounding structures. I hope no one minds. --

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What makes you think I did not note the ending of that section? (Note the ending of my proposed replacement!) I agree that all the relevant information is there; my problem is that some of it –

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Well, especially knowing that Estonia joined the EU on the 1st of May 2004. This means the Eurostat published its statistics about the number of EU citizens in Estonia not earlier than 01.05.2004

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Colossius's, I don't think the fact that Estonians tend not to highly regard the building is not of itself enough reason to remove the image from the page, if the building was of great importance.

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I won't delete the picture, I might add a note about the cultural meaning of Nevski cathedral though . If it's oversensetive to dislike it or not is a matter of debate of course. -ChiLlBeserker

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still means a castle, in Estonian it became to mean a town. Estonians foreshortened the word by removing the ~a from the end at one point and...what is this notability of foreshortening the

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During the 1980 Summer Olympics a regatta was held in Tallinn. Many buildings, like the Olympic hotel, the new Main Post Office building, and the Regatta Center, were built for the Olympics.

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direktor, gloobus, banaan, doomino, baar, grammofon, diktor, diktsioon, gradient, grupp, börs, büdžet, bürokraatia, disko, diplom we actually do have words beginning with soft consonants

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Too bad the self-styled language-pc crowd found the Estonian city names as well. There go the facts and the information value (since, in EE, this is not really an ideological issue).

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conducive to take the latter. Both Tartu and Dorpat go back to the same root, for instance. Of course Reval is basically an Estonian word, but one used by the Germans for Tallinn.

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Not sure, maybe I've used the wrong name. Although in translation it is usually referred just as Cross of Liberty/Freedom around here. Not sure why there's not much info about it.

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I think the picture description about St. Olaf's church should be corrected, because it is not only the highest building in Old Town, but is also the highest building in Tallinn.

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I ain't doubting you, but am I the only one who hears the name ("Tallinn") stressed in the second sillable ("-linn") instead of in the first ("Tal-") by all Estonians in here:

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I possess an Estonian road map from early 1920s, the capital is called just like it is in our days. I also have a number of books from 1920s, never encountered the form Tallinn

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Fisenko, just because there are ethnic Russians in Estonia doesn't mean that a ANC is characteristic of Tallinn's architecture. The two have nothing to do with each other. --

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I have removed this second info box from the main article. I have placed it here for reference, but please do not re-include it as articles should only have one info box.

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Would anyone have a problem with the remove of the coding for the old infobox, since the article has a usable one currently. Basically it would just free up some space. --

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Reval was also the old Swedish name for the town and was used in Sweden until like some 75 years ago or so. Older Swedish papers always talk about Reval, newer Tallin. //

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is not featured in Knowledge (XXG) article on London, so for the sake of consistency and common sense, I replaced the pic of ANC with that of St. Olav's Church. Cheers, --

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You're more than welcome to try to fix the page so that it looks better. Just complaining about it isn't going to solve anything. You've got to do it yourself! --

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The second interpreting of the name is therefore not wery likeley I think - farmers did not have castles. Dut the Danes had a number of trading-cities, (example:

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to do with Reval Hotel Olümpia. It is located in Piritta, 6 km eastwards from Tallinn. In 2010 the Olympic Village goes by the name of Piritta Top Spa Hotel.

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After checking the sources, the data is correct. I understand that it had been vandalized a couple times. I think this occurred in July 2016 with this edit. (

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But maybe you're right that it's a dubious or at least ill-sourced claim whatever interpretation you go by. Let's see what other people think about it.... —

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Does anyone have a soviet map or any other information on exact boundaries of administrative districts of Tallinn (Lenin, Kalinin, Oktober and Sea districts)?

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The red dot indicating the location of Tallinn is in the wrong place too. Not sure how to change it and rather busy to find the lime to learn at present.

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Being that their have been no objections lodged i have moved forwared with this, though feel free to discuss anyway, the code is still in the history. --

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word all about, I have no idea. But since such a strange notability factor is not sourced and it doesn't make much sense, it should be simply removed.--

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and Vaasa (Finland)." But no mention of the topic at all in the Tallinn official site. Can anyone confirm these? I'm inclined to accept them as fact.

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tutorial page have opted out from using the template because of it's inconvenience. Hopefully this discussion can avoid another disruptive edit from

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My suggestion is to remove the comment about the pedagogical university and remove distinct entry of "Baltic Film and Media School" under Education.

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That is true, you can't find a single (as far as I know) place-name in Estonia that ends with a consonant - of course, the exception being Tallinn.

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If Knowledge (XXG) is not a tourist guide there should not be any information about high consumption of alcoholic drinks by the Finns in Tallinn. -

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I actually have heard, that even these days some german newspapers refer to Tallinn, as Reval. So I did a quick research and that's, what I found:

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doesn't make much sense. Other than that ~linna vs. ~linn. In Baltic Finnic languages the word originally simply meant a stronghold. In Finnish

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the weather box/climate table since it has been changed dramatically (I last edited in 2013). However, it has been removed a couple of times (

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All buildings of Frankish kings of Gaul, or Norman kings of England, have had an 'offensive' quality, for Gauls, or non-noble Franks, or what?

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you are to reverse it? Instead of doing that, please provide proof there is a legitimate link, for now I do not see one so it's off again.

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beacuse there is also Toompea = Dome Hill = uptown = uphill = "ülalinn" = Kalevite kants = Castle of Kalevs = Kalevan linna = Kolõvan(???)

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But these are all loans from foreign languages, not Estonian origin. Linguisticly there is no soft consonants in the beginning of words in

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I'll agree, yeah. Though I am not sure if it was eventually acknowledged that this was not a coincidence .. I'll try to do some research -

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it feels very much hard-forced explanation, not seeming at all vocally natural, even considering the evolution of language through time.

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request is for a picture selection that reflects the whole city, not just the Hanseatic town. The text, after all, has a broader scope.

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Would it be a good idea to create a separate article that deals specifically with Old Tallinn and Tallinn's history in more detail?

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I agree that "For the tourist" isn't the way to go, but the information containd in the body of that paragraph should be preserved.

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Looking at the two current pictures, "Tallinn from the sea" and "Port of Tallinn", it seems their descriptions have traded place.

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It surely seems dubious. The United States Geographic Board Decisions from June 1 1923, to June 30 1927 lists the name change:

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PPS. also, an interesting fact might be that during the Soviet era the name was most often 'officially' spelled in English as

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the genitive," I'd change it without hesitation. Nouns in Latin (and in most languages with cases) are normally cited in the

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I note a coupld of the other wikis have Tallinn pics too, although I humbly submit that the one I just added is better. :-)

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is the place for this discussion and sources. Until credible sources are there, "biggest" should not be in this article. --

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The number seems to be fairly recent /around 2000-2004, but the exact Eurostat source and year of publication are missing.

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How come Reval is claimed to be German name? Isn't it the name of Rävala, old norhten Estonian tribe and a small county? --

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Olympic hotel will do just fine, because all the other are also translated. and Olympic translates as Olümpia (om. kääne)

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as with email, is that a message can appear more confrontational than intended; if that's true of me, then I apologise.

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was founded in about AD 50. Of course, Tallinn might have been founded long before it was marked on a world map.... —

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This might seem to imply the first interpretation in the list. But this clearly isn't the case – for example it seems

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This section should therefore be reformatted to be more typical of an encyclopedia, rather than a travel guide such as

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is synonymous to "wire" or "wrap around" (as the castle wall wraps around the castle). My source tells me the name is

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to have the ANC here, but to take it out for clearly non-NPOV ideological reasons strikes me as somewhat problematic.

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I think Silja Line no more operates between Helsinki and Tallinn, they lost superseacats when Tallink bought Silja.--

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I don't think anyone here, in the after all quite sad discussion, has argued for denominational representationalism.

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shots of the old town, an indistinct port view (better as a skyline) and a pretty, but uninformative, local logo. My

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is "the world biggest oil to energy company" then the statement should be referenced. Currently it is referenced to

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making the new name notable since Estonian-language place names always end with a vowel (denoting the genitive case)

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What puzzles me is the parenthetical remark that these two facts are related: that the final vowel in place-names

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Start at history and ends at economy. Look at all those tables, there are so many and they are badly positioned.

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Is there a link between the Estonian Tallinn and the Welsh Tal Y Llyn meaning the end of the Lake? Roarmezma.

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is really still used anywhere. In Estonia, at least, it exists only in historical documents. But I noticed that

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Skype is the best-known of several Tallinn IT start-ups, and a first venture capital firm was founded in 2005.

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by the UN definition, given that it links to that article and that's the only precise definition it gives? —

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Right you are, thanks for the correction, 3 Löwi. It's been a while since I've walked by the sign there. --

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user 220.248.60.100 is constantly trying to change the collage pictures to the right without stating why.

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PPPS.Like I thought there was something strange about the way Tallinna vs Tallinn was put in the article.

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Someone might be interested in the detail that "Reval" is also a well-known German cigarette brand name.--

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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do others readers think, would they prefer the new notables section to be openly accessible or hidden?

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Rate each tagged article by quality and importance to the WikiProject if it has not been done. (See

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That the city might have been officially called 'Tallinna' seems incredible. I'd say it's a hoax.--

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is not a mark of the cultural maturity that Knowledge (XXG)'s neutral policy is meant to embody. --

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The city's official name was REVAL for 700 years. Tallinn has only been the official name for 90.

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Wouldn't it be simpler to substitute a different landmark, one with less controversy and baggage?

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Yes, I can confirm - Estonians hate this church and discussing for long time how to demolish it

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Not censorship? Really?? With respect: looking back, much of the argument over ANC seems to me,

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That is the case when you are talking about place names like villages and towns. Some islands (

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But AFAIK the theory of "Tallinn<=Taani linn" still remains unresolved among linguists. In

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It's a freedom memorial built in 2009, located at the Freedom Square. Found some info here:

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If anybody needs a little material for the history bit, here is a drawing of a former seal

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longest time for which it has been the capital of an entity that is now a sovereign state?

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If you are talking about editing this article then I think this section is fine as it is.

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is not really terminology used in English. I would suggest instead "Estonian Knighthood",

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Germans during parts of its history. That Estonians identify with it - or, say, with the

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I don't think so, because we even haven't article about this book, and not mentioned at

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In the early 1920s, the official spelling of the city name was changed from Tallinna to

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I fail to see anything remotely "ugly" about it. Would you care to be more specific? --

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Lutheran churches have been featured (St. Olav's has a Baptist congregation). Cheers, --

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I think that the years on population table should be displayed as links to these years.

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I think the hotel in question is Reval Hotel Olümpia, commonly known just as "Olümpia".

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Er what? Am I to understand that Estonian place-names never occur in the nominative? —

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There is also at least one other example in Knowledge (XXG) where this is done, namely

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I partially agree; my opinion tends more toward rewording. However, please note that

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Stable Town, as it was the most important trading centre where to all roads took. :)

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longest time for which it has been the capital of any country or subnational entity?

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which has some printed references. "Ritterschaft" is occasionally left untranslated,

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of this. I have some of my own photos which we can use, if anyone wants (below). --

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Doesn't Tallinn have built-up area bigger than city proper? Or Metropolitan area?

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Is a list of notable people from Tallinn welcome, or does it clutter the article?

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You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —

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Should the Old Town of Tallinn be considered an independent entity/article from

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probably nothing. many things may be sold in many places. it's just a souvenire

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My error. Fisenko is quite correct. Please review my equally clumsy attempts at

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Is this worth mentioning?: It is the main locale in James Patterson's novel,

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Uploaded a new montage with a better layout and better quality images. User

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The Finnish name for Denmark is neither "Daani" nor "Taani" but "Tanska".--

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Isn't the finnish word for house even closer and therefore more likely?

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Bit of skyline with a tower in foreground (can't remember which tower):

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sometimes denotes the genitive but more often denotes the nominative.

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I also just found an Knowledge (XXG) article of it here by the way:

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Okay, I guess I'm the only one in the world who might be puzzled. —

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Cheers, Nuffle, and thanks for sharing the (much nicer) picture! --

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and create the article! It is definitely a topic worthy of one. --

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A view of the old town from a window in the Kiek in de Kok tower:

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No problem. I am glad this misunderstanding has been resolved.:)

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Tallinn - capital city of Estonia (Not Reval, Revel, nor Talline)

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By Nat A. Singer, Steve Romanis is pretty clear about the facts.

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I doubt that further questions will help; thanks all the same. —

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a link in the caption to the article for the sake of clarity.

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But why Baltic German-populated? Most of them spoke Estonian.

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What exactly is meant by a red-linked "Chivalry of Estonia"?

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Tallinn = Tal + linn = Town in valley = Downtown = alllinn

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although I don't think we should do that here. I think "

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own ethnicity does not make other people "immigrants"

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just like it is under Stockholm and Helsinki pages.

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