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I am back from vacation and I must say I object. The revision is not encyclopedic in that i uses POV when none is needed. (It calls attacks 'major' for example.) It leaves out lots of really good information found nowhere else on the Net. (The lists of the Saudi Most Wanted.) It is factually wrong in
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I don't see how it's POV, or how it's unencyclopedic compared to the former article. It explains WHY the insurgents are fighting and gives some background to the attacks. Maybe if you wanted to create a page listing the Saudi Most Wanted, that would be fine, but every other article about a conflict
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This needs to be put into context. When a Saudi minister uses the term atheist in this way, without specifically mentioning non-Saudis, it implies non-practicing
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Hey you asked my opinion, but I'm afraid I disagree with your proposal. Terrorism sounds a bit too POV, even if we speak about Al-Qaeda. Maybe such an article could talk specifically about terrorist incidents, attacks on western civilians for example. Or maybe we could name this article "Al-Qaeda
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