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743:" Egoyan found it was initially challenging to acquire the rights to the novel, saying "it wasn’t available," due to rights being optioned to studios that weren't actually producing it." Thanks for clarifying this. But it's so wordy, you have a contraction which isn't MOS-approved, it isn't quite technically correct (source says studio, not studios) and I don't see why the quote is necessary. Most importantly, I also think it still fails to explain the story very clearly; if it was already optioned, how did Egoyan get the rights at all? Reading the source, it looks like you can express it more simply as something like: "Egoyan was initially unable to get the rights to the book, as had been optioned by another studio. Two years later, at the suggestion of novelist Margaret Atwood, he spoke to Banks personally. As the studio option was about to expire, Banks, tired of studio procrastination, gave the rights to Egoyan on the condition that he make the film." You should also wikilink to 1165: 1145: 1125: 1085: 1060: 1037: 1021: 996: 980: 964: 933: 897: 676:
I'm sure you can condense this into a one or two-sentence summary. It's only useful to quote a source if they have something original or insightful to say about the situation; for example, the quote about why Exotica performed better is good because it tells us something new, rather than just restate the same thing. But the others are just repetitive. Does that make sense?
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This looks a little short to me. (I have a funny feeling I wrote it - or a version of it - a long time ago, whoops.) Having said that, I err on the side of brevity, and it's a deliberately concise movie, so if you don't think there's anything worth expanding on, that's totally cool. Clearly I didn't
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Apart from the detail about it being "challenging" to get the rights, which is still unclear IMO, I only have one more major issue with the prose. The box office section basically restates the same information (it was a box office flop but critical success) several times, quoting multiple sources.
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Tweaked prose; respectfully disagree about box office analysis, Writers Guild adds some context about other Canadian films and the international box office specifically; Stuart adds the film aimed for a mass audience; Spokesman-Review comments specifically on box office.
400:" Novelist Margaret Atwood suggested Egoyan meet with Banks personally after his success with the film Exotica (1994)." Who does "his" refer to? And who did she suggest it to, Egoyan or Banks? She's a writer so maybe she knows Egoyan? 777:"Egoyan later stated he was drawn to the novel because he felt film is for "confronting the most extreme things."" I don't understand this. Why would his opinion on film attract him to a novel? Do you mean he was drawn to 417:"Banks was willing to grant Egoyan the rights, and Egoyan later stated he was drawn to the novel because he felt film was for "Confronting the most extreme things." These two pieces of information seem unconnected. 823:. In a nutshell, periods and commas should go outside of the quotation marks if it is not a complete sentence being quoted. I would argue that this applies not only to the main text but also the References section. 47: 383:"Egoyan found it was initially challenging to acquire the rights to the novel, saying "it wasn’t available."" What does this mean? Sounds vague/euphemistic. Concrete details please. 126: 974: 80: 122: 70: 107: 52: 294:"The film was highly acclaimed upon its release" - this sounds like puffery and it's unnecessary when you have the concrete facts of the awards instead. delete. 1115: 927: 99: 826:
In the External links section, it would be helpful if the link "Film reviews" had more information about the source or specifics of the content. Cheers,
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Great, thanks. I tweaked a few more small things, mainly grammar issues; I hope that's OK - seemed simpler than just listing them all in a niggly way.
620:"The film received overwhelming critical acclaim upon its release. " - delete - let the facts (ie the RT score and critics' quotes) do the talking. 272:
be mentioned in the lead. Keeping the mention in the lead is fine. The new sentence is good and actually gives more relevant information, nice job.
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The Alton info does need to be in the body, not the lead. I suggest adding a sentence to the start of the Production section, something like: "
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Good point. The terms (rail/barrier) were not consistent before, so I missed this. I've reinserted it and made them consistent.
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Fair enough. I'm not persuaded all the quotes are necessary but it's not a major problem and it's still readable and clear.
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disagree running through the barrier isn't important, since the lawsuit (may) have been against the town for the rail.
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is adapted from the novel of the same name by Russell Banks, inspired by actual events in Alton, Texas in 1989."
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Removed that link- never heard of FilmVault, and it doesn't appear to have a Knowledge (XXG) article.
434:"in order to make funding from Canada more accessible." - simplify: "to help secure Canadian funding" 323:
You don't need cast names in plot summaries when you have a cast section - unnecessary duplication.
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The prose is generally good, but I have some suggestions for clarifying and simplifying some parts:
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Oh, one more thing. Looks like some text got garbled: "Holm explained hes acceptance". Huh?
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OK, this looks like a Good Article to me. Congratulations and thanks for your hard work!
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Removed Oscar ref. Not sure where Alton mention belongs in body at this time.
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This is one of my favourite films. Looking forward to reviewing this article.
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Removed "highly," but awards and reviews aren't exactly the same thing.
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First impressions: this looks like a nice, concise, well-cited article.
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pretty bland, essentially "he liked the job". delete, not interesting.
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lead sections don't need citations - citing in the body is sufficient.
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Moved the footnote, but disagree a mention can't be in the lead.
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Egoyan and the Canadian actors to be great to work with. -: -->
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Seems like "largely" was causing the confusion, removed.
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